From: "Michael Kerrisk" <michael.kerrisk@gmx.net>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: mtk-manpages@gmx.net, mtk-lkml@gmx.net, rlove@rlove.org,
roland@redhat.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, torvalds@osdl.org,
tytso@mit.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
manfred@colorfullife.com, drepper@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Strange Linux behaviour with blocking syscalls and stop signals+SIGCONT
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 10:02:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060707080212.186780@gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1152256856.3111.20.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>
Von: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
>
> > There must be some framework for changing the kernel ABI over time.
> > We can't remain forever stuck with an ABI behaviour because
> > of the development model (i.e., no 2.7/2.8).
>
> Hi,
>
> this has nothing to do with the development model.
Doh! yes, thanks for pointing that out.
> The userspace syscall
> ABI *has* to be stable. If we make a mistake that's a high price but we
> pay it. This fwiw is one of the reasons we are/should be very careful
> with adding system calls, and make sure the behavior is indeed right.
> It's also the reason we're not so happy about new ioctls; they're
> effectively mini-system calls with the same ABI issues, but just less
> controlled/reviewed/designed/visible.
Yes.
There have been ABI changes in the past. In the end, I assume
it's a question of relative desirability ("how broken is existing
behaviour"; or: "was that behaviour ever desirable/portable
anyway?") versus relative likelihood of breaking applications.
Cheers,
Michael
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-07-07 8:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-07-03 14:46 Strange Linux behaviour with blocking syscalls and stop signals+SIGCONT Michael Kerrisk
2006-07-04 19:02 ` Manfred Spraul
2006-07-06 9:23 ` Michael Kerrisk
2006-07-06 18:42 ` Manfred Spraul
2006-07-06 18:55 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-06 19:02 ` Manfred Spraul
2006-07-06 19:10 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-06 19:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 19:28 ` Manfred Spraul
2006-07-06 19:29 ` Manfred Spraul
2006-07-07 4:57 ` Michael Kerrisk
2006-07-07 5:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-07 5:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-07 19:43 ` angelo.borsotti
2006-07-07 4:32 ` Michael Kerrisk
2006-07-07 4:57 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-07 5:07 ` Michael Kerrisk
2006-07-07 6:20 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-07 7:03 ` Michael Kerrisk
2006-07-07 7:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-07 8:02 ` Michael Kerrisk [this message]
2006-07-07 9:26 ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-07-07 13:36 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-07 4:28 ` Michael Kerrisk
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