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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
Cc: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Thomas Glanzmann <sithglan@stud.uni-erlangen.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: ext4 features
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:52:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060707195223.GA12301@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44ADC3CE.1030302@tmr.com>

On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 10:15:42PM -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Trond Myklebust wrote:
> 
> >Nobody gives a rats arse about backups: those are infrequent and
> >can/should use more sophisticated techniques such as checksumming.
> >
> Actually, those of us who do run production servers care vastly about 
> backups. And beside being utterly unscalable (checksum 20 TB of files 
> four times a day to find what changed???), you would have to remember 
> the checksums for all those files.

Not four times a day, but probably once a month or two it would be a
*very* good idea to do periodic sweeps of files to make sure the hard
drive hasn't corrupted the files out from under you.  If you have 20+
TB of data, the probability of silent data corruption starts going up.
That would be justification for storing the checksum in the inode or
in the EA of the file, with the kernel automatically clearing it if
the file was *deliberately* changed.  The goal is to detect the disk
silently changing the data for you, free of charge....

						- Ted

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-07-07 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-01 16:33 ext4 features Thomas Glanzmann
2006-07-01 17:07 ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-07-01 17:47   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2006-07-01 18:09     ` Claudio Martins
2006-07-01 18:59       ` Thomas Glanzmann
2006-07-01 18:17     ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-07-03  9:44       ` Gabor Gombas
2006-07-03 20:22       ` Helge Hafting
2006-07-03 20:55         ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-07-03 21:01           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-03 21:46             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-07-03 21:25               ` Diego Calleja
2006-07-03 22:17                 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-04 14:45                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-04 16:35                     ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2006-07-04 18:52                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-04 19:40                         ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2006-07-05 13:35                       ` Lew Palm
2006-07-03 23:01                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-07-04  9:14                 ` Benny Amorsen
2006-07-05  4:21                   ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05  5:13                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-05  5:45                       ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2006-07-07 14:12                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-05 10:38                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-07 14:10                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 17:45                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-07 21:30                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 10:52                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-08 10:55                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 11:19                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-08 11:23                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 18:45                                 ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-08 20:24                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-04  9:22                 ` Petr Tesarik
2006-07-04 11:35                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-07-04 11:55                     ` ext4 features (salvage) Petr Tesarik
     [not found]                       ` <80294dc60607040508l1022d164ybe0ba10858e54f0c@mail.gmail.com>
2006-07-04 12:31                         ` Petr Tesarik
2006-07-04 12:42                           ` Helge Hafting
2006-07-04 16:20                       ` Matthew Frost
2006-07-04 15:25                     ` ext4 features Pavel Machek
2006-07-05  4:10                     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-03 21:46               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0607032354170.31747@yvahk01.tjqt.qr>
2006-07-04 14:37                   ` Kernel recycler [was: ext4 features] Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-04 11:14               ` ext4 features Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-04 22:35               ` Frank van Maarseveen
2006-07-04 23:47                 ` Claudio Martins
2006-07-03 22:12             ` Alan Cox
2006-07-03 21:59               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-03 23:31               ` ext4 features (checksums) Neil Brown
2006-07-04  1:03                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-04  6:09                 ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-04  7:02                   ` Neil Brown
2006-07-04  8:26                     ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-05 11:56                       ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05 12:06                   ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05 12:19                     ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-08 17:54                       ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-04  8:17                 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-04 11:08                   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2006-07-04 11:19                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-04 12:49                   ` Helge Hafting
2006-07-05 12:01                     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05 12:10                       ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-08 18:02                         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-06  0:36           ` Blatant layering violations (was Re: ext4 features) Valerie Henson
2006-07-06 12:15             ` Xavier Bestel
2006-07-06 17:06               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-06 20:02             ` Tom Vier
2006-07-03 21:34         ` ext4 features Bill Davidsen
2006-07-03 21:50           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-03 22:04             ` Bruce Ferrell
2006-07-04 14:48               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-03 23:00             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-04 15:01               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-05  2:40                 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05  2:47                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-04 12:52             ` Helge Hafting
2006-07-06 15:12       ` Ric Wheeler
2006-07-06 17:05         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-06 17:27           ` Ric Wheeler
2006-07-06 20:52             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-07 17:41               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-07 17:34             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-04  1:02 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-04 19:16   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2006-07-04 19:30   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-05 12:24   ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05 12:59     ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-07-05 13:17       ` Pádraig Brady
2006-07-05 19:33       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-05 21:22         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05 21:42           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-08 21:04             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-10 20:08               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-10 22:37                 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-11  2:36                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-21  3:10                     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-21 12:06                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-21 14:36                         ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-21 19:02                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-22 12:25                             ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-05 21:12       ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05 21:27         ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-07-05 21:41         ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-07-06  2:32           ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-06  2:42             ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-06 12:43             ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-07  2:15               ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-07  2:30                 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-07  2:42                 ` Ric Wheeler
2006-07-07  2:46                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-07  3:16                     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-07  8:09                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-07-07 14:56                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-07 19:52                 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2006-07-05 14:04   ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-04 14:36 ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-04 14:43   ` Thomas Glanzmann
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2006-07-04 12:28                   ` Bodo Eggert
2006-07-04 15:32                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
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2006-07-05 22:40                         ` Bodo Eggert
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2006-07-07  9:38               ` Bodo Eggert
2006-07-07 14:37                 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-09  9:50                   ` Bodo Eggert
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-07-08  2:22 Chuck Ebbert

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