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From: Olaf Hering <olh@suse.de>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
	Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	torvalds@osdl.org, klibc@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [klibc] klibc and what's the next step?
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:06:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060711200640.GA17653@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44B3EC5A.1010100@zytor.com>

 On Tue, Jul 11, H. Peter Anvin wrote:

> Olaf Hering wrote:
> >"It would be nice if ..." someone can build a list of things that
> >changed over time. Say from 2.0.0 to 2.6.18. Just struct layouts and 
> >defines.
> >
> >I havent tried it, but one would hope that the /bin/ls from SuSE 5.3 still
> >works today.  Guess its time for me to actually try that the next days.
> 
> You know how much code there is in glibc to make your /bin/ls still work?

I heard about that, but did never inspect that code.

My point is:
I see all day that people use some fixed distro for kernel development,
thats their stable base. In my case, 2.4.19 based SLES8 for 2.6
development. 2.6.5 based SLES9 for todays kernel. In a few weeks, they
will move on to 2.6.16 based SLES10. Same thing with other distros.

This means their tools continue to work, eventually they have to upgrade
a few things to test newly added features. Thats what everyone on this
list does all day. It means also that regression testing is possible.
One can even boot a 2.4 kernel in SLES9 to try things out, despite the
fact that many boot scripts rely on sysfs. So I dont see why a kinit
that knows about a range of kernels should not be possible. No idea how
hairy device-mapper, lvm or evms support is, the "standard" tools
appearently cope with interface changes.
If you decide to drop support for 2.6.16 in 3 years, thats ok. But not
in 3 months please.

And to give a negative example for great regression test opportunities:
You guessed it, SLES10 has a udev that cant handle kernels before 2.6.15.
Great job. I could slap them all day...

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-07-11 20:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-26  0:57 [klibc 00/43] klibc as a historyless patchset H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 13:12 ` klibc and what's the next step? Roman Zippel
2006-06-27 13:39   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-27 16:42     ` [klibc] " Greg KH
2006-06-28 23:46       ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-27 17:01     ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-27 17:11       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 17:40         ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-27 17:45           ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 20:22             ` Joshua Hudson
2006-06-28  5:47               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-29  0:04             ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-03 18:30               ` Rob Landley
2006-07-03 18:46                 ` [klibc] " maximilian attems
2006-07-04  1:36                   ` Jeff Bailey
2006-07-04  2:02                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 14:07   ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-27 14:40   ` Jeff Bailey
2006-06-27 19:47   ` Milton Miller
2006-06-28 23:56     ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-29  0:34       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-29 23:33         ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-30  8:00           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-06-30 18:08             ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-30 22:58               ` Michael Tokarev
2006-06-30 18:11   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-30 23:04     ` Michael Tokarev
2006-06-30 23:15       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 10:56         ` [klibc] " Jeff Bailey
2006-07-01 15:05           ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-01 20:08             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-01 21:58               ` Al Viro
2006-07-01 22:31               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-02  0:05               ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-02  0:17                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-02  0:38                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-02  0:50                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 22:22             ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-03  7:23             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-07-03 21:36             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-01 15:22           ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 15:47           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-30 23:32       ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-11  4:48   ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 10:29     ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 11:27       ` [klibc] " Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 16:24         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 16:40           ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:05             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-11 17:16               ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:23                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 17:30                   ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:46                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:01                       ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:04                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:10                           ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:17                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 19:15                               ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 19:29                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-11 19:38                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 19:51                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-11 19:59                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-11 20:01                                       ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-11 20:11                                       ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 20:57                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:03                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:06                   ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 18:15                   ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:22                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:53                       ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 18:46                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 20:06                       ` Olaf Hering [this message]
2006-07-11 20:22                         ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 21:22                         ` Greg KH
2006-07-12 16:54                           ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-12 16:58                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-12 17:01                               ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-12 21:36                             ` Greg KH
2006-07-11 17:55               ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 17:46             ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 17:52               ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:02                 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 10:51     ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-07-11 13:45     ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-11 14:28       ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 15:13       ` [klibc] " Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 15:30         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-11 15:47           ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 16:21         ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 14:32     ` Rene Herman
2006-07-12 15:23       ` David Lang
2006-07-13 11:58     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 18:59 ` [klibc 00/43] klibc as a historyless patchset Milton Miller
2006-06-27 19:12   ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 20:39     ` Milton Miller

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