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From: Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] let CONFIG_SECCOMP default to n
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:23:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060713112352.GA3384@ccure.user-mode-linux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060713031614.GD9102@opteron.random>

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 05:16:14AM +0200, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 12:19:11AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > attacked ptrace, implicitly weakening the security perception of other 
> > syscall filtering based projects like User Mode Linux. Now what we have 
> 
> Note that UML had a security weakness already that allowed to escape
> the jail, see bugtraq. Infact his complexity is huge regardless of
> ptrace, the security hole probably wasn't even ptrace related (I don't
> remember the exact details).

Not hardly.  If you did remember the exact details, you'd remember
that it was in 2000, and someone "discovered" that tt mode didn't
allow kernel memory to be protected from userspace.  It had always
been well documented that tt mode had this problem and you shouldn't
be using it if you needed a secure VM.

See http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/3973/info

Now, there were a couple of ways to legitimately escape from UML, and
they *did* involve ptrace.  Things like single-stepping a system call
instruction or putting a breakpoint on a system call instruction and
single-stepping from the breakpoint.  As far as I know, these were
discovered and fixed by UML developers before there was any outside
awareness of these bugs.

				Jeff

  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-13 11:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-29 19:21 [2.6 patch] let CONFIG_SECCOMP default to n Adrian Bunk
2006-06-30  0:44 ` Lee Revell
2006-06-30  1:07   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-30  1:40     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-30  4:52       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-06-30  9:47         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-30 14:58           ` andrea
2006-07-11  7:36             ` [patch] " Ingo Molnar
2006-07-11 14:17               ` andrea
2006-07-11 14:32                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-11 15:31                   ` andrea
2006-07-11 15:54                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-11 16:13                       ` andrea
2006-07-11 16:23                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-11 16:57                         ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 16:25                       ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 16:02                     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-11 16:16                       ` andrea
2006-07-11 16:24                     ` Alan Cox
2006-07-12 15:43                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-12 21:07                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-12 22:06                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-12 22:19                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-12 22:33                               ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-12 22:49                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-13  3:16                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-07-13 11:23                                 ` Jeff Dike [this message]
2006-07-13 11:35                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-13  3:04                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-07-13  3:12                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-13  4:40                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-07-13  4:51                                   ` andrea
2006-07-13  5:12                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-13  6:22                                     ` andrea
2006-07-13  1:51                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-13  2:00                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-13  7:44                             ` James Bruce
2006-07-13  8:34                               ` andrea
2006-07-13  9:18                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-14  6:09                                   ` [PATCH] TIF_NOTSC and SECCOMP prctl andrea
2006-07-14  6:27                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-14  6:33                                       ` andrea
2006-07-13 12:13                             ` [patch] let CONFIG_SECCOMP default to n Andi Kleen
2006-07-12 21:22                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-12 22:11                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-11 15:54                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-30 12:39       ` [2.6 patch] " Alan Cox
2006-06-30  2:35     ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-30 15:03       ` Lee Revell
2006-07-08  9:23         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-07-11  1:59           ` Andrew James Wade
2006-07-11  4:16             ` andrea
2006-07-11 20:19               ` Andrew James Wade
2006-07-12 21:05                 ` andrea
2006-07-12 22:02                   ` Alan Cox
2006-07-12 23:44                     ` andrea
2006-07-13 21:29                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-13 23:11                         ` andrea
2006-07-13 23:20                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-14  0:34                             ` andrea
2006-07-15  2:55                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-16  0:51                             ` andrea
2006-07-16  1:54                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-16 15:36                                 ` andrea
2006-07-13  2:56                     ` Andrew James Wade
2006-07-12 21:13                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-13  1:16                   ` andrea
2006-07-13  1:37                   ` Andrew James Wade
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-07-12 21:37 [patch] " Chuck Ebbert
2006-07-12 21:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-12 22:48   ` andrea
2006-07-12 21:57 ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-13  5:43 Albert Cahalan
2006-07-13  7:07 ` andrea
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2006-07-17 11:37               ` Bodo Eggert

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