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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] ps command race fix
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:20:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060724182000.2ab0364a.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060714203939.ddbc4918.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:39:39 +0900
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:

> Hi, this is an experimental patch for the probelm
> 	- "ps command can miss some pid occationally"
> please comment 
> 
> 
> the problem itself is very rare case, but the result is sometimes terrible
> 
> for example, when a user does
> 
> alive=`ps | grep command | grep -v command | wc -l`
> 
> to check process is alive or not (I think this user should use kill-0 ;)
> 
> -Kame
> ==
> Now, prod_pid_readir() uses direct access to task and 
> indexing 'task list' as fallback.
> Of course, entries in this list can be removed randomly.
> 
> So, following can happen when using 'ps' command.
> ==
> 1. assume task_list as
> ....-(taskA)-(taskB)-(taskC)-(taskD)-(taskE)-(taskF)-(taskG)-...
> 
> 2. at getdents() iteration 'N', ps command's getdents() read entries before taskC.
> and remenbers "I read X entries".
> 
> ....-(taskA)-(taskB)-(taskC)-(taskD)-(taskE)-(taskF)-(taskG)-...
> ------(f_pos=X)---------^
> 
> getdents() remembers
> 	- "taskC is next candidate to be read"
> 	- "we already read X ents".
> 
> 3. consider taskA and taskC exits, before next getdents(N+1)
> 
> ....-(lost)-(taskB)-(lost)-(taskD)-(taskE)-(taskF)-(taskG)-...
> ------(f_pos=X)--------^
> 
> 4. at getdents(N+1), becasue getdents() cannot find taskC, it skips 'X'
>    ents in the list.
>    from head of the list.
> ....-(taskB)-(taskD)-(taskE)-(taskF)-(taskG)-..
> ------(f_pos=X)--------^
> 
> 5. in this case, taskD is skipped.
> ==
> 
> This patch changes indexing in the list to indexing in a table.
> Table is created only for storing valid tgid.(not pid)
> Tested on x86/ia64.
> 

It allocates a potentially-significant amount of memory per-task, until
that tasks exits (we could release it earlier, but the problem remains) and
it adds yet another global lock in the process exit path.

>  5 files changed, 138 insertions(+), 62 deletions(-)

And it adds complexity and code.

So I think we're still seeking a solution to this.

Options might be:

a) Pin the most-recently-visited task in some manner, so that it is
   still on the global task list when we return.  That's fairly simple to
   do (defer the release_task()) but it affects task lifetime and visibility
   in rare and worrisome ways.

b) Change proc_pid_readdir() so that it walks the pid_hash[] array
   instead of the task list.  Need to do something clever when traversing
   each bucket's list, but I'm not sure what ;) It's the same problem.

   Possibly what we could do here is to permit the task which is walking
   /proc to pin a particular `struct pid': take a ref on it then when we
   next start walking one of the pid_hash[] chains, we _know_ that the
   `struct pid' which we're looking for will still be there.  Even if it
   now refers to a departed process.

c) Nuke the pid_hash[], convert the whole thing to a radix-tree. 
   They're super-simple to traverse.  Not sure what we'd index it by
   though.

I guess b) is best.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-25  1:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-14 11:39 [RFC] ps command race fix KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-07-25  1:20 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-07-25  1:48   ` Paul Jackson
2006-07-25  2:00     ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-25  2:08     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-07-25  2:33       ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-25  2:50         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-07-25  3:16           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-08-13 16:29             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-08-13 17:34               ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-13 19:00                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-08-13 19:12                   ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-16  1:23                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-08-17  4:59                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-08-17  6:32                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-08-17 13:39                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-08-17 18:16                             ` Jean Delvare
2006-08-18  0:21                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-08-18  3:53                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-08-13 20:08               ` Albert Cahalan
2006-08-16  2:20                 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-25  7:22         ` Paul Jackson
2006-07-25  1:53   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-07-25  2:06     ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-25  2:34       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-07-25  6:09   ` Eric W. Biederman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-07-25  6:47 Albert Cahalan

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