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From: Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
Cc: Shem Multinymous <multinymous@gmail.com>,
	"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-thinkpad@linux-thinkpad.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Generic battery interface
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:43:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060728134307.GD29217@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060728122508.GC4158@elf.ucw.cz>

On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 02:25:08PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> > > >The applets that were doing it (yes, up to 100 times per second)
> > > >corrected their ways pretty quickly, because some machines became
> > > >unusable with the applet enabled.
> > > 
> > > Exactly -- and they've been working merrily ever since.
> > > And if you don't want to trust applet developers, cache the latest
> > > reads and refresh them only if X jiffies have passed.
> > 
> > The timer interrupt still has to happen every time their select() or
> > sleep() expires, with the system having to wake up, even when nothing
> > happened. Polling from userspace is bad.
> 
> I do not understand this. Any polling (in kernel or in userspace) will
> wake the CPU, wasting power.

The kernel, however, has all the gory details at hand, and can decide
much better about the polling frequency, than the (hopefully) hardware
agnostic userspace.

Imagine your Zaurus: You don't need to poll very often when you are on
the flat part of the LiIon discharge curve, you probably want more
detailed info near the end.

> OTOH "high/low/very low" battery applet can reasonably query battery
> every 5 minutes, while detailed, graphical thingie displaying the
> current power consumption will probably poll every 10 seconds...

-- 
Vojtech Pavlik
Director SuSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-28 13:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-27 20:06 Generic battery interface Brown, Len
2006-07-27 20:32 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27 23:24   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28  0:27     ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28  0:36       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-07-28  7:42       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28 12:25         ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-28 13:43           ` Vojtech Pavlik [this message]
2006-07-28 15:38             ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 15:57               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-28 22:10                 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 23:14                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-29  9:48                     ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-29 10:17                       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-29 10:30                         ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-29 10:37                       ` Mark Underwood
2006-07-29 11:35                         ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30  8:35                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-30 11:44                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-30 11:48                         ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-31  0:58                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-31  1:34                             ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30  9:18             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-30 10:14               ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 11:33                 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 12:25         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-07-28 13:44           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28 15:19           ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 16:10             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-07-30  8:55               ` Greg KH
2006-07-30  9:52                 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 11:47                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-30 12:50                     ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 14:29                   ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-07-30 14:48                     ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 11:46                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28 15:14         ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 20:23           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28 22:48             ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 23:17               ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-29 10:36               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-29 11:32                 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-29 12:04                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-29 12:51                     ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-29 13:42                       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-30  9:00                         ` Greg KH
2006-07-29 21:06               ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 10:05                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-30 10:34                   ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-30 10:37                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-30 18:37                 ` Shem Multinymous
     [not found]                   ` <20060731113735.GA22081@creature.apm.etc.tu-bs.de>
2006-07-31 15:18                     ` [ltp] " Shem Multinymous
     [not found]                       ` <20060731183719.GB22081@creature.apm.etc.tu-bs.de>
2006-07-31 22:45                         ` Shem Multinymous
     [not found]                           ` <20060801114303.GA13000@creature.apm.etc.tu-bs.de>
2006-08-02 21:59                             ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-31 21:35                   ` Jean Delvare
2006-07-31 22:34                     ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-31 23:01                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-02  7:18                       ` Jean Delvare
2006-08-02  7:46                         ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2006-08-03 11:29                         ` Thomas Renninger
2006-08-03 16:33                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 22:16 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 22:56   ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27 23:08     ` Greg KH
2006-07-27 23:24       ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-30 12:29         ` Jean Delvare
2006-08-02 19:51           ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-03  9:20             ` Jean Delvare
2006-07-27 22:56   ` Greg KH
2006-07-27 23:31   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28  0:35     ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-28 10:11       ` Vojtech Pavlik
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-07-28  4:05 Brown, Len
2006-07-28  8:22 ` Johan Vromans
2006-07-28  9:58 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-07-28 10:10   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-07-28 12:21 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-28 14:13 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27 23:20 Brown, Len
2006-07-28  0:10 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27 15:40 Brown, Len
2006-07-27 16:23 ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27 16:50   ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-07-27 20:07     ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27  0:20 Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 14:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-07-27 14:39   ` Shem Multinymous
2006-07-27 14:44     ` Matthew Garrett
2006-07-27 22:42       ` Greg KH
2006-07-27 14:59     ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 15:10       ` Shem Multinymous

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