From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932508AbWGaHMK (ORCPT ); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:12:10 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932512AbWGaHMK (ORCPT ); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:12:10 -0400 Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]:13740 "EHLO mx01.qsc.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932508AbWGaHMI convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:12:08 -0400 From: Rene Rebe Organization: ExactCODE To: Kasper Sandberg Subject: Re: ipw3945 status Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:11:18 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 Cc: Alan Cox , James Courtier-Dutton , Matthew Garrett , Jan Dittmer , Pavel Machek , Jirka Lenost Benc , kernel list , ipw2100-admin@linux.intel.com References: <20060730104042.GE1920@elf.ucw.cz> <1154303063.2318.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1154305176.13635.45.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1154305176.13635.45.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607310911.18584.rene@exactcode.de> X-Spam-Score: -101.4 (---------------------------------------------------) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "grum.localhost", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi, On Monday 31 July 2006 02:19, Kasper Sandberg wrote: > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 00:44 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > Ar Sul, 2006-07-30 am 23:02 +0200, ysgrifennodd Kasper Sandberg: > > > or perhaps people should just not install/use stuff illegal in their > > > country. > > > > Most users really don't understand the issues around wireless and > > country specific rules. Some wireless implementations also don't deal > > with moving between countries live (as happens all the time today in > > Europe). > > > > That means as a distribution vendor its really important to ship people > > something that by default does the right thing and the legal thing here. > > If people want to recompile kernels or hack firmware thats their > > business, but out of the box it should behave. > as it will never do properly requiring a binary daemon, distributions > are having a hard enough time to try and redistribute those firmwares > where its legal, some even wont, but a userspace daemon is out of the > question for most. [...] Content analysis details: (-101.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -100 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi, On Monday 31 July 2006 02:19, Kasper Sandberg wrote: > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 00:44 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > Ar Sul, 2006-07-30 am 23:02 +0200, ysgrifennodd Kasper Sandberg: > > > or perhaps people should just not install/use stuff illegal in their > > > country. > > > > Most users really don't understand the issues around wireless and > > country specific rules. Some wireless implementations also don't deal > > with moving between countries live (as happens all the time today in > > Europe). > > > > That means as a distribution vendor its really important to ship people > > something that by default does the right thing and the legal thing here. > > If people want to recompile kernels or hack firmware thats their > > business, but out of the box it should behave. > as it will never do properly requiring a binary daemon, distributions > are having a hard enough time to try and redistribute those firmwares > where its legal, some even wont, but a userspace daemon is out of the > question for most. Sure not. That is why I wanted to direct the discussion in what country enforcing scheme we should go. -- René Rebe - ExactCODE - Berlin (Europe / Germany) http://exactcode.de | http://t2-project.org | http://rene.rebe.name +49 (0)30 / 255 897 45