From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965099AbWHQOoZ (ORCPT ); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:44:25 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965084AbWHQOoZ (ORCPT ); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:44:25 -0400 Received: from natblert.rzone.de ([81.169.145.181]:26050 "EHLO natblert.rzone.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S965062AbWHQOoX (ORCPT ); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:44:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:43:29 +0200 From: Olaf Hering To: Greg KH Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt , Alan Cox , akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: PATCH: Multiprobe sanitizer Message-ID: <20060817144329.GA20790@aepfle.de> References: <1155746538.24077.371.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060816222633.GA6829@kroah.com> <1155774994.15195.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1155797833.11312.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1155804060.15195.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1155806676.11312.175.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060817120013.GC6843@kroah.com> <1155816777.11312.177.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060817122244.GA17956@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060817122244.GA17956@kroah.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 05:22:44AM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 02:12:57PM +0200, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 05:00 -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 11:24:35AM +0200, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > > > > Probe ordering is fragile and completely defeated with busses that are > > > > already probed asynchronously (like USB or firewire), and things can > > > > only get worse. Thus we need to look for generic solutions, the trick of > > > > maintaining probe ordering will work around problems today but we'll > > > > still hit the wall in an increasing number of cases in the future. > > > > > > That's exactly why udev was created :) > > > > > > It can handle bus ordering issues already today just fine, and distros > > > use it this way in shipping, "enterprise ready" products. > > > > Only up to a certain point and for certain drivers... but yeah. > > What drivers are not supported by this? Seriously, have we missed any? Do serial drivers have a device symlink now, and video drivers?