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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: Laurent Riffard <laurent.riffard@free.fr>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@xensource.com>
Subject: Re: 2.6.18-rc6-mm1: GPF loop on early boot
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:26:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060910132614.GA29423@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200609101334.34867.ak@suse.de>


* Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de> wrote:

> > Basically, non-atomic setup of basic architecture state _is_ going to be
> > a nightmare, lockdep or not, especially if it uses common infrastructure
> > like 'current', spin_lock() or even something as simple as C functions.
> > (for example the stack-footprint tracer was once hit by this weakness of
> > the x86_64 code)
> 
> I disagree with that.  The nightmare is putting stuff that needs so 
> much infrastructure into the most basic operations.

ugh, "having a working current" is "so much infrastructure" ?? Lockdep 
uses a very low amount of infrastructure, considering its complexity: it 
has its own allocator, uses raw spinlocks, raw irq flags ops, it 
basically implements its own infrastructure for everything. Being able 
to access a per-task data area (current) is a quite fundamental thing 
for kernel code.

the i686 PDA patches introduce tons of early_current() uses. While i 
like the new PDA code, its bootstrap (like x86_64's PDA bootstrap) is 
too fragile in my opinion, and it will regularly hit instrumenting 
patches.

Perhaps the early setup code (if we really want to do it all in C) 
should be moved into 32-bit early boot userspace code (like 
compressed/misc.c) and it will thus not depend on any kernel 
infrastructure.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-10 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-08  8:13 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-09-08 11:49 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andy Whitcroft
2006-09-08 12:07 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Frederik Deweerdt
2006-09-08 12:16 ` [patch -mm] s390: fix save_stack_trace Heiko Carstens
2006-09-09 13:36   ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-08 12:23 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 - x86_64-mm-lockdep-dont-force-framepointer.patch Heiko Carstens
2006-09-09 13:39   ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-11  8:45     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-09-08 14:26 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-08 20:44   ` [linux-usb-devel] 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Alan Stern
2006-09-08 22:57     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-11 22:08       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-12 14:28         ` Alan Stern
2006-09-12 17:22           ` Mattia Dongili
2006-09-12 18:04             ` Mattia Dongili
2006-09-12 20:10               ` Alan Stern
2006-09-13 17:00                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-13 12:07       ` [linux-usb-devel] 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 (-mm2): ohci resume problem Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-13 12:42         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-13 18:38           ` Alan Stern
2006-09-13 20:00             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-13 21:01               ` Alan Stern
2006-09-13 21:32                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-13 21:55                   ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 13:14                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 14:08                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 15:04                         ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 16:17                           ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 17:08                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 17:13                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 17:24                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 17:22                               ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 17:35                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 18:28                                   ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                     ` <200609142137.52066.rjw@sisk.pl>
2006-09-14 20:21                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 20:55                                       ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 21:47                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 22:19                                           ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 16:48                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-13 20:38             ` Mattia Dongili
2006-09-13 20:54               ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 20:19                 ` Mattia Dongili
2006-09-14 20:25                   ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 20:35                     ` Mattia Dongili
2006-09-16 11:58                     ` Mattia Dongili
2006-09-16 14:31                       ` Alan Stern
2006-09-08 17:43 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Stefan Richter
2006-09-08 18:04   ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-09-08 18:36     ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Stefan Richter
2006-09-08 19:23 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Michal Piotrowski
2006-09-08 19:43   ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-09-08 20:01     ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Michal Piotrowski
2006-09-08 19:30 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 thunder7
2006-09-08 19:44   ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-09-09  9:04     ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 thunder7
2006-09-09 15:31       ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-09-09 22:02         ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Jean Delvare
2006-09-10  6:30           ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 thunder7
2006-09-09  8:35 ` lockdep warning in check_flags() Frederik Deweerdt
2006-09-11  5:43   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-12 14:13     ` Frederik Deweerdt
2006-09-12 16:54       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-12 20:21         ` Frederik Deweerdt
     [not found] ` <4503DC64.9070007@free.fr>
2006-09-10  8:32   ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1: GPF loop on early boot Andi Kleen
2006-09-10 10:29     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-10 11:57     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-10 11:34       ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-10 13:26         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2006-09-10 13:55           ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-10 14:02             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-10 16:33           ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-10 23:03             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11  5:10               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  7:31                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11  7:29                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  7:41                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11  7:36                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  7:59                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11  8:01                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  8:13                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11  7:38                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  7:56                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11  7:55                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  5:21               ` Laurent Riffard
2006-09-11  5:18                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  5:25               ` [patch] i386-PDA, lockdep: fix %gs restore Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  5:41                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-11  5:48                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  5:46                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11 16:35                   ` Laurent Riffard
2006-09-11  7:42                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11 19:33                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11 21:25                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11 20:20                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-11 21:37                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11 20:48                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-10 12:36       ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1: GPF loop on early boot Laurent Riffard
2006-09-10 13:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-10 13:11       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11 21:19 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Mark Haverkamp
2006-09-11 22:16   ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton

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