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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Laurent Riffard <laurent.riffard@free.fr>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@xensource.com>
Subject: Re: 2.6.18-rc6-mm1: GPF loop on early boot
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:34:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200609101334.34867.ak@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060910115722.GA15356@elte.hu>

On Sunday 10 September 2006 13:57, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de> wrote:
> > > This kernel won't boot here: it starts a GPFs loop on
> > > early boot. I attached a screenshot of the first GPF
> > > (pause_on_oops=120 helped).
> >
> > It's lockdep's fault. This patch should fix it:>
> Well, it's also x86_64's fault: why does it call into a generic C 
> function (x86_64_start_kernel()) without having a full CPU state up and
> running? i686 doesnt do it, never did.

Actually i686 does now (since Jeremy's patches). The patch was for i386.
x86_64 doesn't need it.

But enough blame game. The "fault" in my original mail wasn't completely
serious anyways ...

>
> We had frequent breakages due to this property of the x86_64 arch code
> (many more than this single incident with lockdep), tracing and all
> sorts of other instrumentation (including earlier versions of lockdep)
> was hit by it again and again.

Well, just getting the new unwinder to work in lockdep was a nightmare
too (most of the problems I had with that were on i386, not x86-64) 
Just look at the number of patches that were needed for it.

>
> Basically, non-atomic setup of basic architecture state _is_ going to be
> a nightmare, lockdep or not, especially if it uses common infrastructure
> like 'current', spin_lock() or even something as simple as C functions.
> (for example the stack-footprint tracer was once hit by this weakness of
> the x86_64 code)

I disagree with that.  The nightmare is putting stuff that needs so much
infrastructure into the most basic operations.

> > Hackish patch to fix lockdep with PDA current
>
> hm, this is ugly beyond words. 

Agreed it is :). But it was the quickest way to fix it.

> Do you have a config i could try which 
> exhibits this problem? I'm sure there is a better solution.

You need the latest x86_64 patch (or latest mm) and enable lockdep
on i386. Possibly with some more interdependencies, but I hope not.

I guess a cleaner way would to set the global variable that turns
the tracing off during boot and then enable it when it starts making
sense. Not 100% sure where that point is.

-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-10 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-08  8:13 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-09-08 11:49 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andy Whitcroft
2006-09-08 12:07 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Frederik Deweerdt
2006-09-08 12:16 ` [patch -mm] s390: fix save_stack_trace Heiko Carstens
2006-09-09 13:36   ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-08 12:23 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 - x86_64-mm-lockdep-dont-force-framepointer.patch Heiko Carstens
2006-09-09 13:39   ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-11  8:45     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-09-08 14:26 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-08 20:44   ` [linux-usb-devel] 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Alan Stern
2006-09-08 22:57     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-11 22:08       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-12 14:28         ` Alan Stern
2006-09-12 17:22           ` Mattia Dongili
2006-09-12 18:04             ` Mattia Dongili
2006-09-12 20:10               ` Alan Stern
2006-09-13 17:00                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-13 12:07       ` [linux-usb-devel] 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 (-mm2): ohci resume problem Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-13 12:42         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-13 18:38           ` Alan Stern
2006-09-13 20:00             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-13 21:01               ` Alan Stern
2006-09-13 21:32                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-13 21:55                   ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 13:14                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 14:08                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 15:04                         ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 16:17                           ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 17:08                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 17:13                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 17:24                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 17:22                               ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 17:35                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 18:28                                   ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                     ` <200609142137.52066.rjw@sisk.pl>
2006-09-14 20:21                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 20:55                                       ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 21:47                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-14 22:19                                           ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 16:48                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-09-13 20:38             ` Mattia Dongili
2006-09-13 20:54               ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 20:19                 ` Mattia Dongili
2006-09-14 20:25                   ` Alan Stern
2006-09-14 20:35                     ` Mattia Dongili
2006-09-16 11:58                     ` Mattia Dongili
2006-09-16 14:31                       ` Alan Stern
2006-09-08 17:43 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Stefan Richter
2006-09-08 18:04   ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-09-08 18:36     ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Stefan Richter
2006-09-08 19:23 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Michal Piotrowski
2006-09-08 19:43   ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-09-08 20:01     ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Michal Piotrowski
2006-09-08 19:30 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 thunder7
2006-09-08 19:44   ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-09-09  9:04     ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 thunder7
2006-09-09 15:31       ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton
2006-09-09 22:02         ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Jean Delvare
2006-09-10  6:30           ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 thunder7
2006-09-09  8:35 ` lockdep warning in check_flags() Frederik Deweerdt
2006-09-11  5:43   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-12 14:13     ` Frederik Deweerdt
2006-09-12 16:54       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-12 20:21         ` Frederik Deweerdt
     [not found] ` <4503DC64.9070007@free.fr>
2006-09-10  8:32   ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1: GPF loop on early boot Andi Kleen
2006-09-10 10:29     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-10 11:57     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-10 11:34       ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2006-09-10 13:26         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-10 13:55           ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-10 14:02             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-10 16:33           ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-10 23:03             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11  5:10               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  7:31                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11  7:29                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  7:41                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11  7:36                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  7:59                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11  8:01                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  8:13                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11  7:38                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  7:56                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11  7:55                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  5:21               ` Laurent Riffard
2006-09-11  5:18                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  5:25               ` [patch] i386-PDA, lockdep: fix %gs restore Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  5:41                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-11  5:48                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11  5:46                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11 16:35                   ` Laurent Riffard
2006-09-11  7:42                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11 19:33                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11 21:25                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11 20:20                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-11 21:37                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-11 20:48                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-10 12:36       ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1: GPF loop on early boot Laurent Riffard
2006-09-10 13:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-10 13:11       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-11 21:19 ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Mark Haverkamp
2006-09-11 22:16   ` 2.6.18-rc6-mm1 Andrew Morton

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