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From: David Madore <david.madore@ens.fr>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Linux Kernel mailing-list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LSM mailing-list <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] security: capabilities patch (version 0.4.4), part 3/4: introduce new capabilities
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:09:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060910160953.GA6430@clipper.ens.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1157905393.23085.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 05:23:13PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> CAP_REG_EXEC seems meaningless, I can do the same with mmap by hand for
> most types of binary execution except setuid (which is separate it
> seems)

Actually I meant those caps to be more of a proof of concept than as a
really useful set, so I have nothing against CAP_REG_EXEC being
deleted.  However, it still performs one (small) function even in the
absence of suid/sgid executables: you can execute files with omde --x
which you can't do with mmap().  (Also, I'm not 100% sure the kernel
doesn't do some magic things on exec(), perhaps some magic forms of
accounting or whatever, which you couldn't do with mmap().)

> Given the capability model is accepted as inferior to things like
> SELinux policies why do we actually want to fix this anyway. It's
> unfortunate we can't discard the existing capabilities model (which has
> flaws) as well really.

Can a non-root user create limited-rights processes without assistance
from the sysadmin, under SElinux?  I was under the impression that it
wasn't the case.  Also, SElinux is immensely more difficult to
understand and operate with than a mere set of capabilities: and I
think that simplicity is (sometimes) of value.

-- 
     David A. Madore
    (david.madore@ens.fr,
     http://www.madore.org/~david/ )

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-10 16:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-10 13:37 [PATCH 1/4] security: capabilities patch (version 0.4.4), part 1/4: enlarge capability sets David Madore
2006-09-10 13:41 ` [PATCH 2/4] security: capabilities patch (version 0.4.4), part 2/4: change inheritance semantics David Madore
2006-09-10 13:42 ` [PATCH 3/4] security: capabilities patch (version 0.4.4), part 3/4: introduce new capabilities David Madore
2006-09-10 16:23   ` Alan Cox
2006-09-10 16:09     ` David Madore [this message]
2006-09-11  8:06       ` James Morris
2006-09-11 12:03         ` Joshua Brindle
2006-09-11 16:22           ` Casey Schaufler
2006-09-17 18:06           ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-10 17:56     ` Joshua Brindle
2006-09-10 20:03       ` David Madore
2006-09-11  6:10         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-11  6:51           ` David Madore
2006-09-11 13:42         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-09-17 18:14       ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-17 20:39         ` Joshua Brindle
2006-09-17 21:16           ` David Madore
2006-09-18 11:46             ` Joshua Brindle
2006-09-18 11:58               ` David Madore
2006-09-18 12:04               ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-18 12:12                 ` Joshua Brindle
2006-09-18 16:02               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-09-19  0:25                 ` Joshua Brindle
2006-09-19  3:46                   ` Casey Schaufler
2006-09-19  4:09                     ` Joshua Brindle
2006-09-19 15:54                       ` Casey Schaufler
2006-09-19 18:27                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-10 13:44 ` David Madore
2006-09-10 13:46 ` [PATCH 4/4] security: capabilities patch (version 0.4.4), part 4/4: add filesystem support David Madore

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