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From: Michael Buesch <mb@bu3sch.de>
To: Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>
Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	segher@kernel.crashing.org, davem@davemloft.net,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Opinion on ordering of writel vs. stores to RAM
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:35:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200609101935.09993.mb@bu3sch.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200609101019.11608.jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>

On Sunday 10 September 2006 19:19, Jesse Barnes wrote:
> On Saturday, September 09, 2006 8:09 am, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Ar Sad, 2006-09-09 am 17:23 +1000, ysgrifennodd Benjamin 
> Herrenschmidt:
> > > The problem is that very few people have any clear idea of what
> > > mmiowb is :) In fact, what you described is not the definition of
> > > mmiowb according to Jesse
> >
> > Some of us talked a little about this at Linux Kongress and one
> > suggestion so people did understand it was
> >
> > 	spin_lock_io();
> > 	spin_unlock_io();
> >
> > so that it can be expressed not as a weird barrier op but as part of
> > the locking.
> 
> That's what IRIX had.  It would let us get rid of mmiowb and avoid doing 
> a full sync in writeX, so may be the best option.

Last time I suggested that, people did not want it.
Probably about 9 months ago. Don't remember exactly.
We came to the decision that if a driver depends on some weak
ordering, it should either directly use mmiowb() or have its
own locking wrapper which wraps spin_unlock() and mmiowb().

There is one little problem in practice with something
like spin_unlock_io().

spin_lock_io(&lock);
foovalue = new_foovalue;
if (device_is_fooing)
	writel(foovalue, REGISTER);
spin_unlock_io(&lock);

That would be an unneccessary sync in case device is not fooing.
In contrast to the explicit version:

spin_lock(&lock);
foovalue = new_foovalue;
if (device_is_fooing) {
	writel(foovalue, REGISTER);
	mmiowb();
}
spin_unlock(&lock);

-- 
Greetings Michael.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-10 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-09  2:03 Opinion on ordering of writel vs. stores to RAM Paul Mackerras
2006-09-09  2:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-09  3:02   ` Paul Mackerras
2006-09-09  3:54     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-09  7:24     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-09  9:34     ` David Miller
2006-09-09  9:55       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-09 10:08         ` David Miller
2006-09-10 17:18           ` Jesse Barnes
2006-09-10 19:35             ` Alan Cox
2006-09-10 21:25               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-10 22:23                 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-10 22:18                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11 13:19                     ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-10 23:35                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-11  0:12                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11  0:34                     ` Jesse Barnes
2006-09-11  1:04                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11  1:13                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-11  1:35                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11  9:02                     ` Alan Cox
2006-09-11  9:23                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11  0:25                 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-09-11  0:54                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-11  1:10                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11  1:48                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-11  3:53                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11 18:12                     ` Jesse Barnes
2006-09-11  1:00                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-11 18:08                     ` Jesse Barnes
2006-09-11 21:32                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-10 20:01             ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-11 13:21               ` David Miller
2006-09-11 14:17                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-12  0:32                   ` David Miller
2006-09-12  0:49                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-12 16:47                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-12  0:54                     ` Roland Dreier
2006-09-09 11:16       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-09-09  7:23   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-09  9:38     ` David Miller
2006-09-09 15:09     ` Alan Cox
2006-09-10 17:19       ` Jesse Barnes
2006-09-10 17:35         ` Michael Buesch [this message]
2006-09-10 17:49           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-10 18:02             ` Michael Buesch
2006-09-09 15:08   ` Alan Cox
2006-09-09 18:34   ` Auke Kok
2006-09-09 19:10     ` Patrick McFarland
2006-09-09 15:06 ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-09-11  5:03 Michael Chan
2006-09-11  5:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-12  4:30 Albert Cahalan
2006-09-12  5:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-12  6:04   ` Albert Cahalan
2006-09-12  6:12     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-12  7:09       ` Albert Cahalan
2006-09-12  7:17         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-12  7:21           ` Albert Cahalan

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