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From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Mark Gross <mgross@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Eugeny S. Mints" <eugeny.mints@gmail.com>,
	Matthew Locke <matt@nomadgs.com>,
	Amit Kucheria <amit.kucheria@nokia.com>,
	pm list <linux-pm@lists.osdl.org>,
	Preece Scott-PREECE <scott.preece@motorola.com>,
	Igor Stoppa <igor.stoppa@nokia.com>
Subject: Re: cpufreq terminally broken [was Re: community PM requirements/issues and PowerOP]
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:37:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060912033700.GD27397@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060912001701.GC14234@linux.intel.com>

On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 05:17:01PM -0700, Mark Gross wrote:
> 
> cpufreq is broken at the cpufreq_driver interface for embedded
> applications needing control over more than one control variable at a
> time.
> 
> That interface only supports setting target frequencies, and expanding it
> to set target frequencies and voltages is not possible without something
> like PowerOP.  Adding the types of parameters to cpufreq would likely
> make cpufreq a mess.  I think we would be better off with something that
> coexists with cpufreq, like the powerop patch from Eugeny.
> 
> God help you if you try to use cpufreq on a complex non-PC platform with
> multiple power and clock domains that need to be tweaked to squeeze out
> competitive battery life.
> 
> Because of the existing user base of cpufreq removing cpufreq will never
> happen.  No one supporting the PowerOP patch has never recommended
> such a thing.  However; holding back innovation because of an existing
> solution that doesn't support a large class of users seems dumb.

But you can't break the existing stuff, and it seems that some of these
proposals are doing just that. :(

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-12  3:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2006-09-11 22:56             ` cpufreq terminally broken [was Re: community PM requirements/issues and PowerOP] Pavel Machek
2006-09-12  0:17               ` Mark Gross
2006-09-12  3:37                 ` Greg KH [this message]
2006-09-13 23:50                   ` [linux-pm] " David Singleton
2006-09-14  5:30                     ` Vitaly Wool
2006-09-14  5:55                     ` OpPoint summary Greg KH
2006-09-14  7:35                       ` [linux-pm] " Vitaly Wool
2006-09-14 16:55                       ` David Singleton
2006-09-14 17:03                       ` David Singleton
2006-09-14 17:07                       ` David Singleton
2006-09-14 17:25                         ` Auke Kok
2006-09-14 18:15                           ` [linux-pm] " Vitaly Wool
2006-09-14 18:17                           ` David Singleton
2006-09-17 17:48                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-18 14:33                           ` [linux-pm] " Richard A. Griffiths
2006-09-18 16:13                             ` Matthew Locke
2006-09-14 17:11                       ` David Singleton
2006-09-17  5:07                       ` David Singleton
2006-09-17 12:56                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-17 12:58                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-17 22:43                         ` [linux-pm] " Matthew Locke
2006-09-12  8:33                 ` cpufreq terminally broken [was Re: community PM requirements/issues and PowerOP] Pavel Machek
2006-09-12  9:10                   ` [linux-pm] " Vitaly Wool
2006-09-12  9:16                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-12  9:23                       ` Vitaly Wool
2006-09-14 15:04                     ` Mark Gross
2006-09-14 14:58                   ` Mark Gross

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