From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Cc: Jiri Kosina <jikos@jikos.cz>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Synaptics - fix lockdep warnings
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:56:41 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060914195641.GA5812@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d120d5000609141156h5e06eb68k87a6fe072a701dab@mail.gmail.com>
* Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it is - as far as I understand the reason for not tracking
> every lock individually is just that it is too expensive to do by
> default.
that is not at all the reason! The reason is that we want to find
deadlocks _as early as mathematically possible_ (in a running system,
where locking patterns are observed). That is we want to gather the
_most generic_ locking rules.
For example, if there are lock_1A, lock_1B of the same lock class, and
lock_2A and lock_2B of another lock class. If we observed the following
usage patterns:
acquire(lock_1A);
acquire(lock_2A);
release(lock_2A);
release(lock_1A);
and another piece of kernel code did:
acquire(lock_2B);
acquire(lock_1B);
release(lock_1B);
release(lock_1B);
with per-lock rules there's no problem detected, because the 4 locks are
independent and we only observed a 1A->2A and a 2B->1B dependency.
But with per-class rule gather we'd observe the 1->2 and the 2->1
dependency, and we'd warn that there's a deadlock.
So we want to create as broad, as generic rules as possible, to catch
deadlocks as soon as it's _provable_ that they could occur. In that
sense lockdep wants to have a '100% proof' of correctness: the first
time a bad even happens we flag it.
Ingo
prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-09-14 20:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-09-14 0:44 [PATCH 0/3] Synaptics - fix lockdep warnings Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 0:44 ` [PATCH 1/3] " Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 0:44 ` [PATCH 2/3] " Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 0:44 ` [PATCH 3/3] " Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 2:00 ` [PATCH 0/3] " Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 8:43 ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 13:18 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 14:39 ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 14:58 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 15:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-14 15:08 ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 15:51 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 16:00 ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 16:18 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 18:48 ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 18:56 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 19:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-14 19:11 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-15 5:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-15 13:20 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-15 13:38 ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-15 13:51 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-15 13:56 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 19:56 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
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