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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Cc: Jiri Kosina <jikos@jikos.cz>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Synaptics - fix lockdep warnings
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:56:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060914195641.GA5812@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d120d5000609141156h5e06eb68k87a6fe072a701dab@mail.gmail.com>


* Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it is - as far as I understand the reason for not tracking 
> every lock individually is just that it is too expensive to do by 
> default.

that is not at all the reason! The reason is that we want to find 
deadlocks _as early as mathematically possible_ (in a running system, 
where locking patterns are observed). That is we want to gather the 
_most generic_ locking rules.

For example, if there are lock_1A, lock_1B of the same lock class, and 
lock_2A and lock_2B of another lock class. If we observed the following 
usage patterns:

	acquire(lock_1A);
	acquire(lock_2A);
	release(lock_2A);
	release(lock_1A);

and another piece of kernel code did:

	acquire(lock_2B);
	acquire(lock_1B);
	release(lock_1B);
	release(lock_1B);

with per-lock rules there's no problem detected, because the 4 locks are 
independent and we only observed a 1A->2A and a 2B->1B dependency.

But with per-class rule gather we'd observe the 1->2 and the 2->1 
dependency, and we'd warn that there's a deadlock.

So we want to create as broad, as generic rules as possible, to catch 
deadlocks as soon as it's _provable_ that they could occur. In that 
sense lockdep wants to have a '100% proof' of correctness: the first 
time a bad even happens we flag it.

	Ingo

      parent reply	other threads:[~2006-09-14 20:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-14  0:44 [PATCH 0/3] Synaptics - fix lockdep warnings Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14  0:44 ` [PATCH 1/3] " Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14  0:44   ` [PATCH 2/3] " Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14  0:44     ` [PATCH 3/3] " Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14  2:00 ` [PATCH 0/3] " Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14  8:43   ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 13:18     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 14:39       ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 14:58         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 15:03           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-14 15:08           ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 15:51             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 16:00               ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 16:18                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 18:48                   ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 18:56                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 19:03                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-14 19:11                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-15  5:33                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-15 13:20                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-15 13:38                               ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-15 13:51                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-15 13:56                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 19:56                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]

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