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From: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Tom Zanussi <zanussi@us.ibm.com>,
	Richard J Moore <richardj_moore@uk.ibm.com>,
	Michel Dagenais <michel.dagenais@polymtl.ca>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	William Cohen <wcohen@redhat.com>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org>
Subject: Re: tracepoint maintainance models
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:27:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060918172705.GN3951@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1158598927.6069.141.camel@localhost.localdomain>

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Hi -

alan worte:
> > > [...] So its L1 misses more register reloads and the like. Sounds
> > > more and more like wasted clock cycles for debug. [...]
> > 
> > But it's not just "for debug"!  It is for system administrators,
> > end-users, developers.
> 
> It is for debug. System administrators and developers also do debug,
> they may just use different tools. 

Then you're using the term so broadly as to lose specific meaning.

> The percentage of schedule() calls executed across every Linux box
> on the planet where debug is enabled is so close to nil it's
> noise. [...]

Unless one's worried about planetary-scale energy use, I see no point
in multiplying overheads by "every box on the planet".

> > Indeed, there will be some non-zero execution-time cost.  We must be
> > willing to pay *something* in order to enable this functionality.
> 
> There is an implementation which requires no penalty is paid. Create a
> new elf section which contains something like [...]

Unfortunately, cases in which this sort of out-of-band markup would be
sufficient are pretty much those exact same cases where it is not
necessary.  Remember, the complex cases occur when the compiler munges
up control flow and data accessability, so debuginfo cannot or does
not correctly place the probes and their data gathering compatriots.

- FChE

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-18 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-17  9:40 The emperor is naked: why *comprehensive* static markup belongs in mainline Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-17 11:21 ` Paul Mundt
2006-09-17 14:36   ` tracepoint maintainance models Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 15:02     ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 15:09       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 17:18         ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 23:27           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 23:41           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  0:17             ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-18  9:01               ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-17 20:37         ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 22:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 15:36     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18  0:07       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  1:12         ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  1:13           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  2:32             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  2:57               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  3:54                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  4:09                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  4:43                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  2:43             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18  3:21               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  4:26                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18  5:08                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 12:25             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 15:02               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 15:45                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 15:48                 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 15:22                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 16:19                     ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 16:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 17:02                         ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 16:15                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 17:02                         ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 17:27                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler [this message]
2006-09-18 18:04                             ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 17:54                               ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-18 18:05                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 19:10                           ` Vara Prasad
2006-09-18 19:49                             ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 19:39                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 20:28                               ` Vara Prasad
2006-10-06  5:33                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-10-06 13:01                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-10-06 14:23                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2006-10-06 23:17                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-18 15:47                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 15:42                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 16:30                 ` MARKER mechanism, try 2 Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 16:28                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 17:47                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 19:39                       ` Alan Cox
2006-09-17 20:19     ` tracepoint maintainance models Nicholas Miell
2006-09-17 23:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  0:05         ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-18  1:52           ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-19 12:58           ` tracing - consensus building insteat of dogfights Christoph Hellwig
2006-09-19 13:25             ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-19 13:45             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-19 14:25               ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  0:10         ` tracepoint maintainance models Nicholas Miell
2006-09-18  0:43           ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-18  0:56         ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  0:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  2:09             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  3:30               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  3:52                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-18  4:11                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  4:24                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  4:32                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  5:03                       ` LTTng and SystemTAP (Everyone who is scared to read this huge thread, skip to here) Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 15:11                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-23 15:50                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18  5:37                       ` tracepoint maintainance models Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18 20:12                   ` Michel Dagenais
2006-09-18  4:14                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  4:09                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  4:57                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  1:03   ` The emperor is naked: why *comprehensive* static markup belongs in mainline Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18 15:53 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-18 17:28   ` Karim Yaghmour

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