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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org>,
	Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	Matti Aarnio <matti.aarnio@zmailer.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Spam, bogofilter, etc
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 00:41:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061004224154.GC16812@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610021050350.3952@g5.osdl.org>

On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 11:02:36AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Alan Cox wrote:
> >
> > Ar Llu, 2006-10-02 am 09:40 -0700, ysgrifennodd Linus Torvalds:
> > > If you want a yes/no kind of thing, do it on real hard issues, like not 
> > > accepting email from machines that aren't registered MX gateways. Sure, 
> > > that will mean that people who just set up their local sendmail thing and 
> > > connect directly to port 25 will just not be able to email, but let's face 
> > > it, that's why we have ISP's and DNS in the first place.
> > 
> > Except most of the ISPs are incompetent and many people have to run
> > their own mail system in order to get mail that actually *works*. I've
> > had that experience several times, although thankfully I now have a sane
> > ISP.
> 
> Sure. I kind of agree - I'm just saying that if you have a _hard_ 
> decision, you should base in on _hard_ data. 
>...

My personal hard data is:
- if you are sending emails to me, the fourth-last mail server in the
  path (the one that actually receives the emails from the Internet)
  does greylisting, IOW much spam that can be trivially determined is
  already eliminated when bogofilter gets the emails
- much spam I'm getting cames through lists like linux-kernel that
  have already filtered out the easy to determine spam
- despite these points, bogofilter catches 90% of the arriving spam
- one false positive every 1-2 years (sic)
- I can (and do) train bogofilter myself

It might have it's weaknesses and might therefore not work well forever,
but at least during the last years bogofilter served me well. 

> 		Linus

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-10-04 22:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-29 14:23 Spam, bogofilter, etc Lee Revell
2006-09-29 14:29 ` Ismail Donmez
2006-10-01 23:23 ` Chris Wedgwood
2006-10-02  0:41   ` Kasper Sandberg
2006-10-02 10:03 ` Matti Aarnio
2006-10-02 15:21   ` Lee Revell
2006-10-02 15:24     ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-10-02 15:48       ` Lee Revell
2006-10-02 17:39         ` Erik Andersen
2006-10-03  3:37           ` dean gaudet
2006-10-03  4:05             ` Neil Brown
2006-10-02 16:40       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-02 17:49         ` Alan Cox
2006-10-02 17:19           ` David Lang
2006-10-02 18:02           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-02 18:07             ` Martin Bligh
2006-10-02 18:22             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-10-02 18:29               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-02 19:31                 ` jdow
2006-10-02 19:31                 ` Antonio Vargas
2006-10-02 21:58             ` Alan Cox
2006-10-04 22:41             ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2006-10-03 17:32           ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2006-10-02 21:33         ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-10-03  8:08         ` John Graham-Cumming
2006-10-03  8:52           ` Howard Chu
2006-10-03  9:40         ` Devdas Bhagat
2006-10-03  9:43         ` Helge Hafting
2006-10-03 10:50         ` Gordon Cormack
2006-10-02 17:34   ` Thomas Davis
2006-10-03 16:42   ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2006-10-27 22:30 ` Oleg Verych
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-10-03  6:08 Paul Zimmerman
2006-10-03 12:51 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
     [not found] <20061003060346.55869.qmail@web80821.mail.yahoo.com>
2006-10-03  7:01 ` Neil Brown

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