From: "Siddha, Suresh B" <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>
To: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
Cc: "Siddha, Suresh B" <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
dino@in.ibm.com, menage@google.com, Simon.Derr@bull.net,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mbligh@google.com,
rohitseth@google.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au
Subject: Re: [RFC] Cpuset: explicit dynamic sched domain control flags
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:01:44 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061017190144.A19901@unix-os.sc.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061017121823.e6f695aa.pj@sgi.com>; from pj@sgi.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 12:18:23PM -0700
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 12:18:23PM -0700, Paul Jackson wrote:
> > What happens when the job in the cpuset with no sched domain
> > becomes active? In this case, scheduler can't make use of all cpus
> > that this cpuset is allowed to use.
>
> What happens then is that the job manager marks the cpuset of this
> newly activated job as being a sched_domain.
With your patch, that will fail because there is already a cpuset defining
a sched domain and which overlaps with the one that is becoming active.
So job manager need to set/reset these flags when ever jobs in overlaping
cpusets become active/inactive. Is that where you are going with this patch?
What happens when both these jobs/cpusets are active at the same time?
>
> And if the job manager doesn't do that, and sets up a situation in
> which the scheduler domains don't line up with the active jobs, then
> they can't get scheduler load balancing across all the CPUs in those
> jobs cpusets. That's exactly what they asked for -- that's exactly
> what they got.
>
> (Actually, is that right? I thought load balancing would still occur
> at higher levels in the sched domain/group hierarchy, just not as
> often.)
Once the sched domains are partitioned, there is no interaction/scheduling
happening between those partitions.
>
> It is not the kernels job to make it impossible for user code to do
> stupid things. It's the kernels job to offer up various mechanisms,
> and let user space code decide what to do when.
>
> And, anyhow, how does this differ from overloading the cpu_exclusive
> flag to define sched domains. One can setup the same thing there,
> where a job can't balance across all its CPUs:
>
> /dev/cpuset/cs1 cpu_exclusive = 1; cpus = 0-7
> /dev/cpuset/cs1/suba cpu_exclusive = 1; cpus = 0-3
> /dev/cpuset/cs1/subb cpu_exclusive = 1; cpus = 4-7
>
> (sched_domain_enabled = 0 in all cpusets)
>
> If you put a task in cpuset "cs1" (not in one of the sub cpusets)
> then it can't load balance between CPUs 0-3 and CPUs 4-7 (or can't
> load balance as often - depending on how this works.)
hmm... tasks in "cs1" won't properly be balanced between 0-7cpus..
In this case, shouldn't we remove cpus0-3 from "cs1" cpus_allowed?
Current code makes sure that "suba" cpus are removed from "cs1" sched domain
but allows the tasks in "cs1" to have "suba" cpus. I don't know much about
how job manager interacts with cpusets but this behavior sounds bad to me.
copying Nick to get his thoughts..
thanks,
suresh
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-10-18 2:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-10-16 23:03 [RFC] Cpuset: explicit dynamic sched domain control flags Paul Jackson
2006-10-17 18:43 ` Siddha, Suresh B
2006-10-17 19:18 ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-18 2:01 ` Siddha, Suresh B [this message]
2006-10-18 7:05 ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-18 17:50 ` Siddha, Suresh B
2006-10-19 6:30 ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-19 6:39 ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-19 7:03 ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-19 8:09 ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-19 8:15 ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-19 8:18 ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-18 17:49 ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2006-10-19 6:00 ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-19 6:28 ` Paul Jackson
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20061017190144.A19901@unix-os.sc.intel.com \
--to=suresh.b.siddha@intel.com \
--cc=Simon.Derr@bull.net \
--cc=dino@in.ibm.com \
--cc=dipankar@in.ibm.com \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=mbligh@google.com \
--cc=menage@google.com \
--cc=nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au \
--cc=pj@sgi.com \
--cc=rohitseth@google.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox