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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Jakob Oestergaard <jakob@unthought.net>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	"Phetteplace, Thad (GE Healthcare,
	consultant)"  <Thad.Phetteplace@ge.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Bandwidth Allocations under CFQ I/O Scheduler
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:51:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061018095125.GE24452@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061018080030.GU23492@unthought.net>

On Wed, Oct 18 2006, Jakob Oestergaard wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:23:13PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 17 2006, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> ...
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > it's a nice idea in theory. However... since IO bandwidth for seeks is
> > > about 1% to 3% of that of sequential IO (on disks at least), which
> > > bandwidth do you want to allocate? "worst case" you need to use the
> > > all-seeks bandwidth, but that's so far away from "best case" that it may
> > > well not be relevant in practice. Yet there are real world cases where
> > > for a period of time you approach worst case behavior ;(
> > 
> > Bandwidth reservation would have to be confined to special cases, you
> > obviously cannot do it "in general" for the reasons Arjan lists above.
> 
> How about allocating I/O operations instead of bandwidth ?
> 
> So, any read is really a seek+read, and we count that as one I/O
> operation. Same for writes.
> 
> Since the total "capacity" of the system is typically (in real-world
> scenarios) the number of operations (seek+X) rather than the raw
> sequential bandwidth anyway, I suppose that I/O operations would be what
> you wanted to allocate anyway.
> 
> Anyway, just a thought...

While that may make some sense internally, the exported interface would
never be workable like that. It needs to be simple, "give me foo kb/sec
with max latency bar for this file", with an access pattern or assumed
sequential io.

Nobody speaks of iops/sec except some silly benchmark programs. I know
that you are describing pseudo-iops, but it still doesn't make it more
clear.
Things aren't as simple 

-- 
Jens Axboe


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-10-18  9:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-16 20:46 Bandwidth Allocations under CFQ I/O Scheduler Phetteplace, Thad (GE Healthcare, consultant)
2006-10-17  1:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-17 13:23   ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-17 14:37     ` Ric Wheeler
2006-10-17 14:47       ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-17 14:46     ` Phetteplace, Thad (GE Healthcare, consultant)
2006-10-18  8:00     ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18  9:40       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-18 11:30         ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 11:49           ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 12:23             ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 12:42               ` Alan Cox
2006-10-18 12:44                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 12:55                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-18 13:04                     ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 13:39                       ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 13:51                       ` Paulo Marques
2006-10-19 12:22                         ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 13:37                     ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 12:44                 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 12:42               ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 13:35                 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18  9:51       ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2006-10-18 11:00         ` Helge Hafting
2006-10-18 11:14           ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 11:23           ` Ric Wheeler

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