From: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Brian King <brking@us.ibm.com>,
linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, linux-pm@lists.osdl.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
Adam Belay <abelay@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Block on access to temporarily unavailable pci device
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:14:18 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061018171418.GV22289@parisc-linux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1161189592.9363.81.camel@localhost.localdomain>
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 05:39:52PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > The current user is limited to a two-second delay and the one I'm
> > proposing introducing is a delay measued in milli- or microseconds.
> > An extra two-second delay while you BIST your IPR device and change
> > modes in X at the same time (does X really scan all devices when it's
> > changing mode settings? That's odd) doesn't strike me as a huge failure.
>
> X scans all the devices when it sets up so only a video device one would
> hang mid mode set.
OK. So the only possible X interaction currently is a D-state transition.
> > You fail the operation if it returns busy. Or you loop. It's really up
> > to you, the driver author. You know what operation you're trying to do,
> > you know what makes more sense.
>
> But I've no idea who, what or why and that makes it hard to handle. If
> the thing refcounts then if there are two reasons to be blocked we are
> fine and the last reason goes away we resume - it does make it more easy
> to make mistakes. If it isnt ref counting I'd prefer block repeated is a
> BUG() not a "driver figure this out"
Thinking about this a bit more, we only *need* to block userspace from
accessing a device while it's going to cause lockups if we access the
device. And we'll cause the lockup ourselves if we try to do more than
one of these operations at a time. So BUG_ON is clearly the right
approach. Of course, the backtrace might well finger the wrong culprit --
if someone forgot to release the block earlier, it'll catch the second
attempt rather than the missed (or infinitely delayed) unblock. I don't
think it matters too much, and I don't see a nice way to capture the
other task (do a backtrace to a buffer somewhere in a special debug mode
...?)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-10-18 17:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-10-17 14:51 [PATCH] Block on access to temporarily unavailable pci device Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-17 14:54 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-17 21:25 ` Brian King
2006-10-18 14:38 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2006-10-18 14:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-18 15:52 ` Alan Stern
2006-10-18 16:05 ` Alan Cox
2006-10-18 16:09 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-18 16:42 ` Alan Cox
2006-10-18 14:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-18 14:57 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-18 15:12 ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-18 15:16 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-18 15:27 ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-18 15:50 ` Alan Cox
2006-10-18 16:20 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-18 16:39 ` Alan Cox
2006-10-18 17:14 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2006-10-19 15:41 ` [PATCH] Block on access to temporarily unavailable pci device [version 3] Matthew Wilcox
2006-10-19 16:32 ` Alan Cox
2006-10-19 23:13 ` Adam Belay
2006-10-19 23:51 ` Greg KH
2006-10-20 21:50 ` Brian King
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