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From: Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	anemo@mba.ocn.ne.jp, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] Fix COW D-cache aliasing on fork
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:41:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061020214122.GA29237@linux-mips.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610201408070.3962@g5.osdl.org>

On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 02:12:11PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> > Well, looking at do_wp_page() I'm now quite concerned about ARM and COW.
> > I can't see how this code could _possibly_ work with a virtually indexed
> > cache as it stands.  Yet, the kernel does appear to work.
> 
> It really shouldn't need any extra code, exactly because by the time it 
> hits any page-fault, the caches had better be in sync with the physical 
> page contents _anyway_ (yes, being virtual, the caches will _duplicate_ 
> the contents, but since the pages are read-only, that aliasing should be 
> perfectly fine).

Until yesterday I also thought multiple read-only copies wouldn't do any
harm.  Well, until I learned about the wonderful behaviour of the PA8800
caches.  PA8800 has VIPT primary caches, PIPT secondary caches.  And the
sinister part - caches are exclusive, that is a cacheline is either in
L1 or L2 but never in both and can migrate between L1 and L2.  Now
onsider the following scenario:

 o physical address P is mapped to two aliasing addresses V1 and V2
 o a load from V1 results in a clean line in L1 caching P at index V1.
 o a store to V2 results in a clean line in L1 caching P at index V2.
 o the line at V2 is getting written back to memory.
 o a victim replacement of the line at V1 results in the _clean_ line
   migrating back from L1 to L2.

-> another read from V2 will return stale data.

As consequence flush_cache_mm() on PA (or at least PA8800) currently blows
away the entire cache, as Kyle McMartin just told me.  The whole 1.5MB L1
and 32MB of L2 making fork an ultraheavy operation.

> It's just that we weren't quite careful enough at that time (and even 
> then, that would only matter for some really really unlikely and strange 
> situations that only happen when you fork() from a _threaded_ environment, 
> so it shouldn't be anything you'd notice under normal load).
> 
> I think.

The flush is there since a very long time.  I have it in my tree since
~ 2.1.36 and I get the feeling anybody every has been seriously revisited
the issue since.

  Ralf

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-10-20 21:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-19 16:35 [PATCH 1/3] Fix COW D-cache aliasing on fork Ralf Baechle
2006-10-19 16:35 ` [PATCH 2/3] Pass vma argument to copy_user_highpage() Ralf Baechle
2006-10-19 16:35 ` [PATCH 3/3] MIPS: Fix COW D-cache aliasing on fork Ralf Baechle
2006-10-22  2:32   ` Ralf Baechle
2006-10-19 17:46 ` [PATCH 1/3] " Nick Piggin
2006-10-19 18:13   ` Ralf Baechle
2006-10-19 18:48     ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-19 22:59     ` David Miller
2006-10-20 14:39       ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-20 15:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-20 15:57           ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-20 16:36             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-20 16:47               ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-20 17:16                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-20 17:37                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-21  0:46                 ` Ralf Baechle
2006-10-20 19:36           ` David Miller
2006-10-20 19:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-20 19:58               ` David Miller
2006-10-20 20:10                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-20 20:59                   ` Russell King
2006-10-20 21:06                     ` David Miller
2006-10-20 21:17                       ` Russell King
2006-10-20 21:30                         ` David Miller
2006-10-20 21:12                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-20 21:28                       ` Russell King
2006-10-20 21:41                       ` Ralf Baechle [this message]
2006-10-21 16:28                         ` Atsushi Nemoto
2006-10-20 21:49                   ` Ralf Baechle
2006-10-20 22:02                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-20 22:22                       ` David Miller
2006-10-20 22:51                         ` Ralf Baechle
2006-10-20 23:28                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-21  0:06                             ` Ralf Baechle
2006-10-21  0:38                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-21  1:29                                 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-10-21  2:11                                 ` David Miller
2006-10-21  2:37                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-21  2:46                                     ` David Miller
2006-10-21 18:27                                     ` Ralf Baechle
2006-10-22  1:34                                     ` Ralf Baechle
2006-12-02  9:49                                 ` Russell King
2006-10-23  8:50                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-10-20 16:05         ` Ralf Baechle
2006-10-20 16:30           ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-20 19:23         ` David Miller

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