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From: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
To: "Paul Menage" <menage@google.com>
Cc: xemul@openvz.org, dev@openvz.org, vatsa@in.ibm.com,
	sekharan@us.ibm.com, ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net,
	balbir@in.ibm.com, haveblue@us.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, matthltc@us.ibm.com,
	dipankar@in.ibm.com, rohitseth@google.com
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] RFC: Memory Controller
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:38:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061030133825.3d10c8c1.pj@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6599ad830610301020y3bc515dbse4f278aad8b03e33@mail.gmail.com>

> - they require touching every architecture to add the new system calls
> - they're harder to debug from userspace, since you can't using useful
>   tools such as echo and cat
> - changing the interface is harder since it's (presumably) a binary API

To my mind these are rather secondary selection criteria.

If say we were adding a single, per-thread scalar value that each
thread could query of and perhaps modify for itself, then a system call
would be an alternative worthy of further consideration.

Representing complicated, nested, structured information via custom
system calls is a pain.  We have more luck using classic file system
structures, and abstracting the representation a layer up.  Of course
there are still system calls, but they are the classic Unix calls such
as mkdir, chdir, rmdir, creat, unlink, open, read, write and close.

The same thing happens in designing network and web services.  There
are always low level protocols, such as physical and link and IP.
And sometimes these have to be extended, such as IPv4 versus IPv6.
But we don't code AJAX down at that level - AJAX sits on top of things
like Javascript and XML, higher up in the protocol stack.

And we didn't start coding AJAX as a series of IP hacks, saying we can
add a higher level protocol alternative later on.  That would have been
useless.

Figuring out where in the protocol stack one is targeting ones new
feature work is a foundation decision.  Get it right, up front,
forevermore, or risk ending up in Documentation/ABI/obsolete or
Documentation/ABI/removed in a few years, if your work doesn't
just die sooner without a whimper.

-- 
                  I won't rest till it's the best ...
                  Programmer, Linux Scalability
                  Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com> 1.925.600.0401

  reply	other threads:[~2006-10-30 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-30 10:33 [RFC] Resource Management - Infrastructure choices Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-10-30 10:34 ` RFC: Memory Controller Balbir Singh
2006-10-30 11:04   ` Paul Menage
2006-10-30 13:27     ` [ckrm-tech] " Balbir Singh
2006-10-30 18:14       ` Paul Menage
2006-10-31 17:07         ` Balbir Singh
2006-10-31 17:22           ` Paul Menage
2006-10-31 18:16             ` Badari Pulavarty
2006-11-01  7:05             ` Balbir Singh
2006-11-01  7:07               ` Paul Menage
2006-11-01  7:44                 ` Balbir Singh
2006-11-01 12:23                   ` Paul Jackson
2006-11-02  0:09                     ` Paul Menage
2006-11-02  0:39                       ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-30 15:58   ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-30 17:39     ` Balbir Singh
2006-10-30 18:07       ` Balbir Singh
2006-10-31  8:57         ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-31  9:19           ` Balbir Singh
2006-10-31  9:25             ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-31 10:10               ` Balbir Singh
2006-10-31 10:19                 ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-31  9:42             ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-31 10:36               ` Balbir Singh
2006-10-31  8:48       ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-31 10:54         ` Balbir Singh
2006-10-31 11:15           ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-31 12:39             ` Balbir Singh
2006-10-31 14:19               ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-31 16:54             ` Paul Menage
2006-11-01  6:00             ` David Rientjes
2006-11-01  8:05               ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-11-01  8:35                 ` David Rientjes
2006-10-31 17:04         ` Dave Hansen
2006-11-01  7:57           ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-30 18:20     ` Paul Menage
2006-10-30 21:38       ` Paul Jackson [this message]
2006-10-30 10:43 ` [RFC] Resource Management - Infrastructure choices Paul Jackson
2006-10-30 14:19   ` [ckrm-tech] " Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-30 14:29     ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-30 17:09   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-10-30 17:16     ` Dave McCracken
2006-10-30 18:07       ` Paul Menage
2006-10-30 20:41         ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-30 10:51 ` Paul Menage
2006-10-30 11:06   ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2006-10-30 12:07     ` Paul Menage
2006-10-30 12:28       ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-30 11:15   ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-30 12:04     ` Paul Menage
2006-10-30 12:27       ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-30 17:53         ` Paul Menage
2006-10-30 20:36           ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-30 20:47             ` Paul Menage
2006-10-30 20:56               ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-30 21:03               ` Paul Menage
2006-10-31 11:53               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-10-31 13:31                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-10-31 16:46                 ` Paul Menage
2006-11-01 17:25                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-01 23:37                     ` Paul Menage
2006-11-06 12:49                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-06 20:23                         ` Paul Menage
2006-11-07 13:20                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-07 18:41                           ` Paul Jackson
2006-11-07 19:07                             ` Paul Menage
2006-11-07 19:11                               ` Paul Jackson
2006-11-07 19:24                                 ` Paul Menage
2006-11-07 19:58                                   ` Paul Jackson
2006-11-07 20:00                                     ` Paul Menage
2006-11-07 20:02                               ` Paul Jackson
2006-11-08  2:47                                 ` Matt Helsley
2006-11-07 20:34                               ` Paul Jackson
2006-11-07 20:41                                 ` Paul Menage
2006-11-07 21:50                                   ` Paul Jackson
2006-11-07 22:21                               ` Paul Menage
2006-11-08  3:15                                 ` Paul Jackson
2006-11-08  4:15                                   ` Paul Menage
2006-11-08  4:16                                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-11-08 11:22                                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-11-08  5:12                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-08  5:36                                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-11-09  5:39                                       ` Balbir Singh
2006-11-08 19:25                                     ` Chris Friesen
2006-11-09  3:54                                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-10 14:57                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-01  4:39               ` David Rientjes
2006-11-01  9:50                 ` Paul Jackson
2006-11-01  9:58                   ` David Rientjes
2006-11-01 15:59                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-01 16:31                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-01 21:05                   ` David Rientjes
2006-11-01 23:43                     ` Paul Menage
2006-11-01 18:19                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-01 17:33   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-01 21:18     ` Chris Friesen
2006-11-01 23:01       ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-11-02  0:31         ` Matt Helsley
2006-11-02  8:34           ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-11-01 23:48       ` Paul Menage
2006-11-02  3:28         ` Chris Friesen
2006-11-02  7:40           ` Paul Menage
2006-10-30 14:08 ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-30 14:23   ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-30 14:38     ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-30 15:18       ` Paul Jackson
2006-10-30 15:26         ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-31  0:26           ` Matt Helsley
2006-10-31  8:34             ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-31 16:33           ` Chris Friesen
2006-10-30 18:01   ` Paul Menage
2006-10-31  8:31     ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-31 16:34       ` Paul Menage
2006-10-31 16:57         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-01  7:58         ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-10-31 16:34   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-01  8:01     ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-11-01 16:04       ` Matt Helsley
2006-11-01 17:51         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-01 17:50       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-02  8:42         ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-11-03  1:29           ` David Rientjes
2006-11-01  9:30 ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-11-01  9:53   ` David Rientjes
2006-11-01 22:23     ` Matt Helsley
2006-11-01 18:12   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-11-01 22:19     ` Matt Helsley
2006-11-01 23:50       ` Paul Menage
2006-11-02  0:30         ` Matt Helsley
2006-11-02  5:33           ` Balbir Singh
2006-11-02  9:08         ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-11-02 11:26           ` Matt Helsley
2006-11-02 13:04             ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-11-03  1:29               ` David Rientjes
2006-11-02  8:52     ` Pavel Emelianov

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