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From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: A proposal; making 2.6.20 a bugfix only version.
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 09:05:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061109090502.4d5cd8ef@freekitty> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 200611090757.48744.a1426z@gawab.com

On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 07:57:48 +0300
Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com> wrote:

> Andreas Mohr wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 11:40:27PM +0100, Jesper Juhl wrote:
> > > Let me make one very clear statement first: -stabel is a GREAT think
> > > and it is working VERY well.
> > > That being said, many of the fixes I see going into -stable are
> > > regression fixes. Maybe not the majority, but still, regression fixes
> > > going into -stable tells me that the kernel should have seen more
> > > testing/bugfixing before being declared a stable release.
> >
> > Nice theory, but of course I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't work
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> > (as has been said numerous time before by other people).
> >
> > You cannot do endless testing/bugfixing, it's a psychological issue.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> > If you do that, then you end up with -preXX (or worse, -preXXX)
> > version numbers, which would cause too many people to wait and wait
> > and wait with upgrading until "that next stable" kernel version
> > finally becomes available.
> > IOW, your tester base erodes, awfully, and development progress stalls.
> 
> IMHO, the psycho-problem is that you cannot intertwine development and stable 
> in the same cycle.  In that respect, the 2.6 development cycle is a real 
> flop, as it does not allow for focus.  
> 
> And focus is needed to achieve stability.  
> 
> Think catch22...
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> --
> Al

There are bugfixes which are too big for stable or -rc releases, that are
queued for 2.6.20. "Bugfix only" is a relative statement. Do you include,
new hardware support, new security api's, performance fixes.  It gets to
be real hard to decide, because these are the changes that often cause
regressions; often one major bug fix causes two minor bugs.

Interestingly, adding a new feature often causes no bugs in the rest
of the code, but it does increase the possible bug surface so most of
the problems related to feature X are bugs in feature X. 


-- 
Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org>

  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-09 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-09  4:57 A proposal; making 2.6.20 a bugfix only version Al Boldi
2006-11-09 17:05 ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2006-11-10 15:52   ` Al Boldi
2006-11-10 16:16     ` Jesper Juhl
2006-11-10 16:42       ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-10 16:53         ` Randy Dunlap
2006-11-10 19:33           ` Al Boldi
2006-11-10 19:49             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-10 21:22               ` Al Boldi
2006-11-10 21:31                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-11  4:15                   ` Al Boldi
2006-11-11  5:09                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-11-11  7:23                       ` David Miller
2006-11-11 11:15                         ` Al Boldi
2006-11-11  6:31                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-11-11 11:15                       ` Al Boldi
2006-11-11  7:15           ` Willy Tarreau
2006-11-11 12:03             ` Neil Brown
2006-11-11 21:08               ` bugzilla (was Re: A proposal; making 2.6.20 a bugfix only version.) Pavel Machek
2006-11-11 19:16           ` A proposal; making 2.6.20 a bugfix only version Krzysztof Halasa
2006-11-11 19:15         ` Adrian Bunk
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-11-08 22:09 Jesper Juhl
2006-11-08 22:22 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-08 22:40   ` Jesper Juhl
2006-11-08 23:05     ` Andreas Mohr
2006-11-08 23:54       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-10 15:15     ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-10 15:48     ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-11-15 21:04       ` Jesper Juhl
2006-11-08 22:51   ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-09  9:26     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09  9:36       ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-09  9:52         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 19:12           ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-09 19:21             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 21:11               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-11-09 21:31                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 23:56                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10  0:18                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-10 17:45                     ` Stefan Richter
2006-11-11 11:00                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-11-08 23:28   ` Diego Calleja
2006-11-09  6:48     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 12:45       ` Rolf Eike Beer

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