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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, vojtech@suse.cz, jbohac@suse.cz
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 13/19] GTOD: Mark TSC unusable for highres timers
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:11:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061110111134.GA3291@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1163146206.8335.183.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Ahoj!

Tahle debata (lkml) by se Vam mohla hodit...
								Pavel

On Fri 2006-11-10 09:10:06, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 06:10 +0100, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > > >  		verify_tsc_freq_timer.function = verify_tsc_freq;
> > > >  		verify_tsc_freq_timer.expires =
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hmmm. I wish this patch was unnecessary, but I don't see an easy
> > > solution. 
> > 
> > Very sad. This will make a lot of people unhappy, even to the point
> > where they might prefer disabling noidlehz over super slow gettimeofday. 
> > I assume you at least have a suitable command line option for that, right?
> 
> Yes it is sad. And the sadest part is that AMD and Intel have been asked
> to fix that more than 5 years ago. They did not get their brain straight
> and now we are the dimwits.
> 
> > Can we get a summary on which systems the TSC is considered unstable?
> > Normally we assume if it's stable enough for gettimeofday it should
> > be stable enough for longer delays too.
> 
> TSC is simply a nightmare:
> 
> - Frequency changes with CPU clock
> - Unsynced across CPUs
> - Stops in C3, which makes it completely unusable
> 
> Once you take away periodic interrupts it is simply broken. AMD and
> Intel can run in circels, it does not get better.
> 
> 	tglx
> 
> 
> 
> 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-11-10 11:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-09 23:38 [patch 00/21] Highres / dynticks drop in replacement for 2.6.19-rc5-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 01/19] hrtimers: state tracking Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10  9:19   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-10  9:40     ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-10  9:45       ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-23 22:26   ` Roman Zippel
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 02/19] hrtimers: clean up callback tracking Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10  9:20   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 03/19] hrtimers: Move and add documentation Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 04/19] Add a framework to manage clock event devices Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10  9:47   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-23 22:36   ` Roman Zippel
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 05/19] ACPI: Include apic.h Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 06/19] ACPI: Keep track of timer broadcast Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10  9:51   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 07/19] ACPI: Add state propagation for dynamic broadcasting Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10  9:52   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 08/19] i386: cleanup apic code Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10 10:04   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-10 10:16     ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10 10:16       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 09/19] i386: Convert to clock event devices Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10 10:10   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 10/19] PM_timer: allow early access and move externs to a header file Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10 10:12   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 11/19] i386: Rework local APIC calibration Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10 10:17   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-10 10:23     ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10 11:10     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 12/19] high-res timers: core Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10 10:26   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 13/19] GTOD: Mark TSC unusable for highres timers Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10  1:10   ` john stultz
2006-11-10  5:10     ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-10  8:10       ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10  8:50         ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-10  8:57           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-11-10  9:13             ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-10  9:29               ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-11 11:14                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-11 13:51                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-11 13:58                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-11 13:59                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-11 14:08                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-10 10:35               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-10 10:47                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-10 10:55                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-10 11:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-11-10 11:28                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-10  9:27             ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-10 10:14             ` Alan Cox
2006-11-10 11:19               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-11-10 15:43               ` Chris Friesen
2006-11-10 11:12             ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-10 11:48               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-11-10 11:56                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-10 13:12                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-11-10 12:00                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-10 13:14                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-11-10 11:11         ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2006-11-10 10:28       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-10 10:30         ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-10 10:37           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 14/19] dynticks: core code Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 15/19] dyntick: add nohz stats to /proc/stat Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 16/19] dynticks: i386 arch code Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 17/19] dynticks: Fix nmi watchdog Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 18/19] high-res timers, dynticks: enable i386 support Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-09 23:38 ` [patch 19/19] debugging feature: timer stats Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-23 22:24 ` [patch 00/21] Highres / dynticks drop in replacement for 2.6.19-rc5-mm1 Roman Zippel

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