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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@timesys.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	manfred@colorfullife.com, oleg@tv-sign.ru
Subject: Re: [patch] cpufreq: mark cpufreq_tsc() as core_initcall_sync
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:38:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061118003859.GG2632@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0611171421270.2627-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 02:27:15PM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> 
> > > It works for me, but the overhead is still large. Before it would take
> > > 8-12 jiffies for a synchronize_srcu() to complete without there actually
> > > being any reader locks active, now it takes 2-3 jiffies. So it's
> > > definitely faster, and as suspected the loss of two of three
> > > synchronize_sched() cut down the overhead to a third.
> > 
> > Good to hear, thank you for trying it out!
> > 
> > > It's still too heavy for me, by far the most calls I do to
> > > synchronize_srcu() doesn't have any reader locks pending. I'm still a
> > > big advocate of the fastpath srcu_readers_active() check. I can
> > > understand the reluctance to make it the default, but for my case it's
> > > "safe enough", so if we could either export srcu_readers_active() or
> > > export a synchronize_srcu_fast() (or something like that), then SRCU
> > > would be a good fit for barrier vs plug rework.
> > 
> > OK, will export the interface.  Do your queues have associated locking?
> > 
> > > > Attached is a patch that compiles, but probably goes down in flames
> > > > otherwise.
> > > 
> > > Works here :-)
> > 
> > I have at least a couple bugs that would show up under low-memory
> > situations, will fix and post an update.
> 
> Perhaps a better approach to the initialization problem would be to assume 
> that either:
> 
>     1.  The srcu_struct will be initialized before it is used, or
> 
>     2.  When it is used before initialization, the system is running
> 	only one thread.

Are these assumptions valid?  If so, they would indeed simplify things
a bit.

> In other words, statically allocated SRCU strucures that get used during
> system startup must be initialized before the system starts multitasking.  
> That seems like a reasonable requirement.
> 
> This eliminates worries about readers holding mutexes.  It doesn't 
> solve the issues surrounding your hardluckref, but maybe it makes them 
> easier to think about.

For the moment, I cheaped out and used a mutex_trylock.  If this can block,
I will need to add a separate spinlock to guard per_cpu_ref allocation.

Hmmm...  How to test this?  Time for the wrapper around alloc_percpu()
that randomly fails, I guess.  ;-)

						Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-18  0:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-16 20:00 BUG: cpufreq notification broken Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-16 20:15 ` [patch] cpufreq: mark cpufreq_tsc() as core_initcall_sync Ingo Molnar
2006-11-16 20:45   ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-16 21:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-16 22:03       ` Alan Stern
2006-11-16 22:21         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-17  3:06           ` Alan Stern
2006-11-17  6:51             ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-17  9:29               ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-17 18:39                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-18  0:28                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 16:15                     ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18 17:14                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 19:34                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:26                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 21:00                         ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18 21:25                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-18 22:13                             ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18 22:46                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 20:12                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-19 21:43                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 17:19                             ` Alan Stern
2006-11-20 17:58                               ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 19:39                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-20 20:13                                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 21:39                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21  7:39                                       ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 18:57                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-20 20:01                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-20 20:51                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 20:04                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-21 20:54                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 22:07                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 20:38                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 16:44                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-21 19:56                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 20:26                                       ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 23:03                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-22  2:17                                           ` Alan Stern
2006-11-22 17:01                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-26 22:25                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-27 21:10                                   ` Alan Stern
2006-11-28  1:47                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 19:17                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 20:22                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 17:55                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 17:56                             ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 19:13                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 20:40                                 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-22 18:08                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 21:01                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-22  0:51                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 18:46                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:07                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20  7:15                         ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 16:59                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 17:55                             ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 20:09                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 20:21                                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-18 19:02                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:23                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-17 19:15                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-17 19:27                   ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18  0:38                     ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2006-11-18  4:33                       ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18  4:51                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-18  5:57                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-19 19:00                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 20:21                   ` Alan Stern
2006-11-19 20:55                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:09                       ` Alan Stern
2006-11-19 21:17                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:54                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-19 22:28                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-20  5:47                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-19 21:20                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-19 21:50                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 22:04                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-23 14:59                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-23 20:40                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-23 21:34                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-23 21:49                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-27  4:33                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-24 18:21                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-24 20:04                       ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-24 20:47                       ` Alan Stern
2006-11-24 21:13                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-25  3:24                           ` Alan Stern
2006-11-25 17:14                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-25 22:06                               ` Alan Stern
2006-11-26 21:34                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-27  5:02                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-27 16:11                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-27 16:56                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-29 19:29                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-29 20:16                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-29 23:08                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-30  0:01                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-17  2:33       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-16 20:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-11-16 21:20   ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-16 21:27     ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-20 19:57   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-16 20:27 ` BUG: cpufreq notification broken Alan Stern
2006-11-16 21:09   ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-16 21:26     ` Alan Stern
2006-11-16 21:36       ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-16 21:56         ` Alan Stern

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