From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] cpufreq: mark cpufreq_tsc() as core_initcall_sync
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 00:34:28 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061123213428.GA106@oleg> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061123204054.GA4533@us.ibm.com>
On 11/23, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 05:59:10PM +0300, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > (Sorry, responding to the wrong message)
> >
> > Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > >
> > > I am concerned about this as well, and am beginning to suspect that I
> > > need to make a special-purpose primitive specifically for Jens that he
> > > can include with his code.
> >
> > How about this?
>
> For Jens, it might be OK. For general use, I believe that this has
> difficulties with the sequence of events I sent out on November 20th, see:
>
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=116397154808901&w=2
Oh. I guess I'd better sleep before answer, but I hope that this version
doesn't have those problems. Note the 'atomic_inc_not_zero()' in read_lock(),
it seems not possible for synchronize_xxx() to return while xxx_read_lock()
increments a "wrong" element.
Just in case, in no way this interface should replace the current srcu code,
this is another variant optimized for writers, with a hope it is ok for Jens.
> Might also be missing a few memory barriers, see below.
>
> > struct xxx_struct {
> > int completed;
> > atomic_t ctr[2];
> > struct mutex mutex;
> > wait_queue_head_t wq;
> > };
> >
> > void init_xxx_struct(struct xxx_struct *sp)
> > {
> > sp->completed = 0;
> > atomic_set(sp->ctr + 0, 1); // active
> > atomic_set(sp->ctr + 1, 0); // inactive
> > mutex_init(&sp->mutex);
> > init_waitqueue_head(&sp->wq);
> > }
> >
> > int xxx_read_lock(struct xxx_struct *sp)
> > {
> > for (;;) {
> > int idx = sp->completed & 0x1;
> > if (likely(atomic_inc_not_zero(sp->ctr + idx)))
>
> Need an after-atomic-inc memory barrier here?
>From Documentation/atomic_ops.txt:
"atomic_add_unless requires explicit memory barriers around the operation."
>
> > return idx;
> > }
> > }
> >
> > void xxx_read_unlock(struct xxx_struct *sp, int idx)
> > {
>
> Need a before-atomic-dec memory barrier here?
The same, Documentation/atomic_ops.txt states
"It requires explicit memory barrier semantics"
> > if (unlikely(atomic_dec_and_test(sp->ctr + idx)))
> > wake_up(&sp->wq);
> > }
> >
> > void synchronize_xxx(struct xxx_struct *sp)
> > {
> > int idx;
> >
> > mutex_lock(&sp->mutex);
> >
> > idx = ++sp->completed & 0x1;
> > smp_mb__before_atomic_inc();
> > atomic_inc(&sp->ctr + idx);
> >
> > idx = !idx;
> > if (!atomic_dec_and_test(&sp->ctr + idx))
> > __wait_event(&sp->wq, !atomic_read(&sp->ctr + idx));
>
> I don't understand why an unlucky sequence of events mightn't be able
> to hang this __wait_event(). Suppose we did the atomic_dec_and_test(),
... so atomic_read() >= 0 ...
> then some other CPU executed xxx_read_unlock(), finding no one to awaken,
... it does atomic_dec(), but sp->wq is empty, yes?
> then we execute the __wait_event()?
__wait_event() will notice !atomic_read() and return.
Note that this is just an optimization. We can do
atomic_dec(sp->ctr + idx);
__wait_event(&sp->wq, !atomic_read(sp->ctr + idx));
instead. Also, I think synchronize_xxx() could be optimized further.
> What am I missing here?
Probably it is me again who missed something... Please say no!
> >
> > mutex_unlock(&sp->mutex);
> > }
> >
> > Yes, cache thrashing... But I think this is hard to avoid if we want writer
> > to be fast.
> >
> > I do not claim this is the best solution, but for some reason I'd like to
> > suggest something that doesn't need synchronize_sched(). What do you think
> > about correctness at least?
>
> The general approach seems reasonable, but I do have the concerns above.
Thanks!
Oleg.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-11-23 21:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-11-16 20:00 BUG: cpufreq notification broken Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-16 20:15 ` [patch] cpufreq: mark cpufreq_tsc() as core_initcall_sync Ingo Molnar
2006-11-16 20:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-16 21:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-16 22:03 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-16 22:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-17 3:06 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-17 6:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-17 9:29 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-17 18:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-18 0:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 16:15 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18 17:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 19:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 21:00 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18 21:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-18 22:13 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18 22:46 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 20:12 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-19 21:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 17:19 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-20 17:58 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 19:39 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-20 20:13 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 21:39 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 7:39 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 18:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-20 20:01 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-20 20:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 20:04 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-21 20:54 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 22:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 20:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 16:44 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-21 19:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 20:26 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 23:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-22 2:17 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-22 17:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-26 22:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-27 21:10 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-28 1:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 19:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 20:22 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 17:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 17:56 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 19:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 20:40 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-22 18:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 21:01 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-22 0:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 18:46 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 7:15 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 16:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 17:55 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 20:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 20:21 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-18 19:02 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-17 19:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-17 19:27 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18 0:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 4:33 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18 4:51 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-18 5:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-19 19:00 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 20:21 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-19 20:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:09 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-19 21:17 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-19 22:28 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-20 5:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-19 21:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-19 21:50 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 22:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-23 14:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-23 20:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-23 21:34 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2006-11-23 21:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-27 4:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-24 18:21 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-24 20:04 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-24 20:47 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-24 21:13 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-25 3:24 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-25 17:14 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-25 22:06 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-26 21:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-27 5:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-27 16:11 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-27 16:56 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-29 19:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-29 20:16 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-29 23:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-30 0:01 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-17 2:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-16 20:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-11-16 21:20 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-16 21:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-20 19:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-16 20:27 ` BUG: cpufreq notification broken Alan Stern
2006-11-16 21:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-16 21:26 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-16 21:36 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-16 21:56 ` Alan Stern
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