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From: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	torvalds@osdl.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] WorkStruct: Implement generic UP cmpxchg() where an arch doesn't support it
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 15:03:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061207150303.GB1255@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4577DF5C.5070701@yahoo.com.au>

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 08:31:08PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Russell King wrote:
> >On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 11:16:55AM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> 
> >No.  If you read what I said, you'll see that you can _cheaply_ use
> >cmpxchg in a ll/sc based implementation.  Take an atomic increment
> >operation.
> >
> >	do {
> >		old = load_locked(addr);
> >	} while (store_exclusive(old, old + 1, addr);
> >
> >On a cmpxchg, that "store_exclusive" (loosely) becomes your cmpxchg
> >instruction, comparing the first arg, and if equal storing the second.
> >The "load_locked" macro becomes a standard pointer deref.  Ergo, x86
> >becomes:
> >
> >	do {
> >		load value
> >		manipulate it
> >		conditional store
> >	} while not stored
> >
> >On ll/sc, the load_locked() macro is the load locked instruction.  The
> >store_exclusive() macro is the exclusive store and it doesn't need to
> >use the first parameter at all.  Ergo, ARM becomes:
> >
> >	do {
> >		ldrex r1, [r2]
> >		manipulate r1
> >		strex r0, r1, [r2]
> >	} while failed
> >
> >Notice that both are optimal.
> >
> >Now let's consider the cmpxchg case.
> >
> >	do {
> >		val = *addr;
> >	} while (cmpxchg(val, val + 1, addr);
> >
> >The x86 case is _identical_ to the ll/sc based implementation.  Absolutely
> >entirely.  No impact what so ever.
> >
> >Let's look at the ll/sc case.  The cmpxchg code implemented on this has
> >to reload the original value, compare it, if equal store the new value.
> >So:
> >
> >	do {
> >		val = *addr;
> >		(r2 = addr, 
> >		ldrex r1, [r2]
> >		compare r1, r0
> >		strexeq r4, r3, [r2] (store exclusive if equal)
> >	} while store failed or comparecondition failed
> >
> >Note how the cmpxchg has _forced_ the ll/sc implementation to become
> >more complex.
> >
> >So, let's recap.
> >
> >Implementing ll/sc based accessor macros allows both ll/sc _and_ cmpxchg
> >architectures to produce optimal code.
> >
> >Implementing an cmpxchg based accessor macro allows cmpxchg architectures
> >to produce optimal code and ll/sc non-optimal code.
> >
> >See my point?
> 
> Wrong. Your ll/sc implementation with cmpxchg is buggy. The cmpxchg
> load_locked is not locked at all,

Intentional - cmpxchg architectures don't generally have a load locked.

> and there can be interleaving writes
> between the load and cmpxchg which do not cause the store_conditional
> to fail.

In which case the cmpxchg fails and we do the atomic operation again,
in exactly the same way that we do the operation again if the 'sc'
fails in the ll/sc case.

I do not see any problem.

-- 
Russell King
 Linux kernel    2.6 ARM Linux   - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-12-07 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-06 16:43 [PATCH] WorkStruct: Implement generic UP cmpxchg() where an arch doesn't support it David Howells
2006-12-06 17:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-06 18:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-06 19:00   ` Russell King
2006-12-06 19:16     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-06 19:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-06 19:58       ` Russell King
2006-12-06 21:36         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 21:52           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-06 22:05             ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 22:15               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-07  0:37               ` Roman Zippel
2006-12-07  0:54                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-07  1:05                   ` Roman Zippel
2006-12-07  1:18                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-07  1:24                       ` Roman Zippel
2006-12-07  1:36                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-07  1:44                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-07  2:09                             ` Douglas McNaught
2006-12-07  1:52                           ` Roman Zippel
2006-12-07  9:23                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-06 22:38             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-07  9:31         ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-07 13:20           ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2006-12-07 15:03           ` Russell King [this message]
2006-12-08  1:18             ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-08  8:56               ` Russell King
2006-12-08 16:06                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-08 16:31                   ` Russell King
2006-12-08 16:43                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-08 16:47                       ` Russell King
2006-12-08 16:53                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-08 16:58                           ` Russell King
2006-12-08 16:56                   ` David Howells
2006-12-08 17:06                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-08 17:18                       ` Russell King
2006-12-08 17:23                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-08 19:15                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-08 19:31                             ` Russell King
2006-12-08 19:37                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-08 19:43                                 ` Russell King
2006-12-08 20:01                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-08 18:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-08 19:04                       ` Russell King
2006-12-08 19:35                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-08 19:59                           ` Russell King
2006-12-08 20:34                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-11 11:04                         ` David Howells
2006-12-08 22:33                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-07 15:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-07 16:51           ` Ralf Baechle
2006-12-07  0:46       ` Ralf Baechle
2006-12-06 19:05   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-06 19:08     ` Al Viro
2006-12-06 19:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-06 19:29         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 19:43           ` David Howells
2006-12-06 19:54           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-06 19:56             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-07  1:09       ` David Miller
2006-12-06 19:26     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 19:29       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-06 19:36         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 19:47           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-06 19:50             ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 20:11               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-06 20:17                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 19:34       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-06 19:41         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 19:45         ` David Howells
2006-12-06 20:00     ` Russell King
2006-12-07 15:06     ` Russell King
2006-12-08 15:32       ` Russell King
2006-12-06 19:12 ` Lennert Buytenhek
2006-12-06 19:47   ` David Howells
2006-12-06 20:09     ` Lennert Buytenhek

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