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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Andrew MChuck Ebbert <76306.1226@compuserve.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Linus Torvalds orton <akpm@osdl.org>" <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] pipe: Don't oops when pipe filesystem isn't mounted
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 02:34:36 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061211023436.258bb3ea.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061211102207.GE4587@ftp.linux.org.uk>

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:22:07 +0000
Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 02:17:18AM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > I think we should aim to have as many subsystems ready to go as possible -
> > ideally all of them.  Right now we can potentially run userspace before
> > AIO, posix-timers, message-queues, BIO, networking, etc are ready to run.
> > 
> > It looks to be pretty easy to fix...
> > 
> > > As for that example, I'd love to see specifics - which driver triggers
> > > hotplug?  Presumably it happens from an initcall, so we also have something
> > > fishy here...
> > 
> > I don't know in this case - but firmware loading from a statically-linked
> > driver is a legit thing to do.
> 
> Umm... statically linked driver that might want firmware shouldn't precede
> the subsystems unless something is seriously wrong with priorities...

There are plenty of drivers in there using subsys_initcall, arch_initcall,
postcore_initcall, core_initcall and even one pure_initcall.

Heaven knows why.  They're drivers :(

> IOW, I still wonder what's really going on - pipes are fs_initcall() and
> any hardware stuff ought to be simple module_init().  So something fishy
> is going on, regardless of anything else.

A heck of a lot of things can trigger an /sbin/hotplug run.  It could well
be that Andrew's driver didn't want to run hotplug at all, but the kernel
did it anwyay.  But as soon as the script appeared at /sbin/hotplug, and it
happened to use foo|bar: boom.



  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-11 10:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-11  8:27 [patch] pipe: Don't oops when pipe filesystem isn't mounted Chuck Ebbert
2006-12-11  8:55 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-11  9:13   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-11  9:21     ` Al Viro
2006-12-11  9:25       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-11  9:33         ` Al Viro
2006-12-11  9:47           ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-11 10:03             ` Al Viro
2006-12-11 10:17               ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-11 10:22                 ` Al Viro
2006-12-11 10:34                   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-12-11 10:47                     ` Al Viro
2006-12-11 10:57                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-11 10:27                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-11 10:45                   ` Al Viro
2006-12-11 16:01                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-11 16:12                       ` Al Viro
2006-12-11 16:40                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-12  0:33                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-12-12  2:08                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-12  2:17                         ` Dominik Brodowski
2006-12-12  2:23                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-11 10:52                 ` [PATCH] get rid of ARCH_HAVE_XTIME_LOCK Eric Dumazet
2006-12-11 13:50                   ` [PATCH] Optimize calc_load() Eric Dumazet
2006-12-11 19:04                     ` [PATCH] constify pipe_buf_operations Eric Dumazet
2006-12-11  9:13 ` [patch] pipe: Don't oops when pipe filesystem isn't mounted Al Viro
2006-12-11  9:40   ` Michael Tokarev
2006-12-11 15:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-12 12:20   ` Michael Tokarev
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-12-11  9:33 Chuck Ebbert
2006-12-11 10:48 ` Olaf Hering
2006-12-11 10:52   ` Al Viro

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