From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gregkh@suse.de
Subject: Re: Changes to sysfs PM layer break userspace
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 00:25:46 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061220002546.GA17378@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200612191334.49760.david-b@pacbell.net>
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 01:34:49PM -0800, David Brownell wrote:
> Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt has warned about this since
> August, and the PM list has discussed how broken that model is numerous
> times over the past several years. (I'm pretty sure that discussion has
> leaked out to LKML on occasion.) It shouldn't be news today.
1) feature-removal-schedule.txt says that it'll be removed in July 2007.
This isn't July 2007.
2) The functionality was disabled in 2.6.19. The addition to
feature-removal-schedule.txt was in, uh, 2.6.19.
3) "The whole _point_ of a kernel is to act as a abstraction layer and
resource management between user programs and hardware/outside world.
That's why kernels _exist_. Breaking user-land API's is thus by
definition something totally idiotic.
If you need to break something, you create a new interface, and try to
translate between the two, and maybe you deprecate the old one so that
it can be removed once it's not in use any more. If you can't see that
this is how a kernel should work, you're missing the point of having a
kernel in the first place."
Linus, http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/10/4/327
--
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-12-20 0:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-12-19 18:52 Changes to sysfs PM layer break userspace Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 19:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-19 19:44 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 20:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-19 20:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 20:23 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-19 20:32 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 20:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-21 0:08 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-12-19 21:34 ` David Brownell
2006-12-20 0:25 ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2006-12-20 3:59 ` Changes to " David Brownell
2006-12-20 4:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 5:14 ` David Brownell
2006-12-20 5:34 ` Greg KH
2006-12-20 5:52 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 7:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 12:53 ` Network drivers that don't suspend on interface down Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 13:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 14:31 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 15:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 22:49 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-12-20 23:37 ` Rick Jones
2006-12-19 23:51 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-12-21 0:11 ` Francois Romieu
2006-12-20 0:26 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-12-21 11:18 ` Francois Romieu
2006-12-21 1:12 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 2:05 ` Michael Wu
2006-12-21 2:18 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 2:38 ` Daniel Drake
2006-12-21 2:45 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 3:08 ` Daniel Drake
2006-12-21 3:25 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 3:37 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 3:29 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 3:14 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 13:14 ` jamal
2006-12-21 2:29 ` Daniel Drake
2006-12-21 2:10 ` Jesse Brandeburg
2006-12-21 8:54 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-22 1:03 ` Herbert Xu
2006-12-23 8:54 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-20 15:27 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-12-20 15:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 16:40 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-12-20 17:21 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 20:40 ` Benny Amorsen
2006-12-20 21:49 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 21:15 ` Stefan Rompf
2006-12-20 14:00 ` Jiri Benc
2006-12-20 18:12 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 1:15 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 1:57 ` Michael Wu
2006-12-21 2:20 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 3:02 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 3:06 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 3:14 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 3:32 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 13:19 ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2006-12-21 17:16 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 18:27 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22 1:25 ` Matt Domsch
2006-12-20 16:04 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2006-12-22 21:09 ` Changes to PM layer break userspace Pavel Machek
2006-12-24 7:02 ` David Brownell
2006-12-28 13:31 ` Alan
2006-12-28 16:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-29 5:27 ` David Brownell
2006-12-20 2:15 ` Changes to sysfs " Andrew Morton
2006-12-20 2:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2006-12-20 3:49 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-20 3:29 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21 3:51 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-21 4:56 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21 5:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-21 7:05 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21 8:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-22 20:44 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-23 14:02 ` Stefan Seyfried
2006-12-19 21:22 ` David Brownell
2006-12-19 22:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 23:36 ` Changes to " David Brownell
2006-12-20 0:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 3:19 ` David Brownell
2006-12-20 3:43 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 4:15 ` David Brownell
2006-12-20 4:56 ` [PATCH 1/2] Fix /sys/device/.../power/state Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 21:18 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21 1:29 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 3:04 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21 4:06 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 4:51 ` David Brownell
2007-01-25 5:00 ` [PATCH] Fix /sys/device/.../power/state regression Matthew Garrett
2007-01-26 19:59 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-26 20:42 ` Greg KH
2007-01-27 1:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-27 17:19 ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-26 20:41 ` Greg KH
2007-01-26 21:56 ` David Brownell
2007-01-26 22:19 ` Greg KH
2007-01-26 23:15 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-27 0:42 ` David Brownell
2007-01-27 0:56 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-27 2:40 ` David Brownell
2007-01-27 17:38 ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-27 22:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-31 10:34 ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-27 1:19 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-27 3:02 ` David Brownell
2007-01-29 17:36 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-01-27 13:17 ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-30 18:43 ` Eric Piel
2007-01-30 18:47 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-01-30 19:01 ` Eric Piel
2007-01-31 10:55 ` Jiri Kosina
2007-01-31 11:03 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-12-20 4:56 ` [PATCH 2/2] Update feature-removal-schedule.txt Matthew Garrett
2006-12-22 20:47 ` Changes to PM layer break userspace Pavel Machek
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