From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
Cc: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Changes to PM layer break userspace
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 05:52:09 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061220055209.GA20483@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061220053417.GA29877@suse.de>
On Tue, Dec 19, 2006 at 09:34:17PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
> I would be very interested to see any newer SuSE programs using that
> interface. Just point them out to me and I'll quickly fix them.
As far as I can tell, powersaved still uses these.. I'm not quite sure
how you can fix it without just removing the functionality from it...
> And yes, as a SuSE developer (and one of the people in charge of the
> SuSE kernels), I have no problem with these files just going away.
> Because, as David keeps repeating, they are broken and wrong.
In the common case, it works perfectly well for the management of
individual PCI devices. Yes it's "wrong", in much the same way as (say)
the IDE bus registration/unregistration code. But we keep that around
because despite it being even more broken than devices/.../power/state,
people are still actually using it and we haven't provided any sort of
alternative.
Seriously. How many pieces of userspace-visible functionality have
recently been removed without there being any sort of alternative?
--
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-12-20 5:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-12-19 18:52 Changes to sysfs PM layer break userspace Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 19:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-19 19:44 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 20:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-19 20:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 20:23 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-19 20:32 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 20:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-21 0:08 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-12-19 21:34 ` David Brownell
2006-12-20 0:25 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 3:59 ` Changes to " David Brownell
2006-12-20 4:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 5:14 ` David Brownell
2006-12-20 5:34 ` Greg KH
2006-12-20 5:52 ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2006-12-20 7:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 12:53 ` Network drivers that don't suspend on interface down Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 13:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 14:31 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 15:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 22:49 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-12-20 23:37 ` Rick Jones
2006-12-19 23:51 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-12-21 0:11 ` Francois Romieu
2006-12-20 0:26 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-12-21 11:18 ` Francois Romieu
2006-12-21 1:12 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 2:05 ` Michael Wu
2006-12-21 2:18 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 2:38 ` Daniel Drake
2006-12-21 2:45 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 3:08 ` Daniel Drake
2006-12-21 3:25 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 3:37 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 3:29 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 3:14 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 13:14 ` jamal
2006-12-21 2:29 ` Daniel Drake
2006-12-21 2:10 ` Jesse Brandeburg
2006-12-21 8:54 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-22 1:03 ` Herbert Xu
2006-12-23 8:54 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-20 15:27 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-12-20 15:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 16:40 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-12-20 17:21 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 20:40 ` Benny Amorsen
2006-12-20 21:49 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 21:15 ` Stefan Rompf
2006-12-20 14:00 ` Jiri Benc
2006-12-20 18:12 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 1:15 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 1:57 ` Michael Wu
2006-12-21 2:20 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 3:02 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 3:06 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 3:14 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 3:32 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 13:19 ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2006-12-21 17:16 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 18:27 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22 1:25 ` Matt Domsch
2006-12-20 16:04 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2006-12-22 21:09 ` Changes to PM layer break userspace Pavel Machek
2006-12-24 7:02 ` David Brownell
2006-12-28 13:31 ` Alan
2006-12-28 16:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-29 5:27 ` David Brownell
2006-12-20 2:15 ` Changes to sysfs " Andrew Morton
2006-12-20 2:35 ` Randy Dunlap
2006-12-20 3:49 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-20 3:29 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21 3:51 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-21 4:56 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21 5:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-21 7:05 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21 8:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-22 20:44 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-23 14:02 ` Stefan Seyfried
2006-12-19 21:22 ` David Brownell
2006-12-19 22:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 23:36 ` Changes to " David Brownell
2006-12-20 0:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 3:19 ` David Brownell
2006-12-20 3:43 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 4:15 ` David Brownell
2006-12-20 4:56 ` [PATCH 1/2] Fix /sys/device/.../power/state Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 21:18 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21 1:29 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 3:04 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21 4:06 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21 4:51 ` David Brownell
2007-01-25 5:00 ` [PATCH] Fix /sys/device/.../power/state regression Matthew Garrett
2007-01-26 19:59 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-26 20:42 ` Greg KH
2007-01-27 1:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-27 17:19 ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-26 20:41 ` Greg KH
2007-01-26 21:56 ` David Brownell
2007-01-26 22:19 ` Greg KH
2007-01-26 23:15 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-27 0:42 ` David Brownell
2007-01-27 0:56 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-27 2:40 ` David Brownell
2007-01-27 17:38 ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-27 22:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-31 10:34 ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-27 1:19 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-27 3:02 ` David Brownell
2007-01-29 17:36 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-01-27 13:17 ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-30 18:43 ` Eric Piel
2007-01-30 18:47 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-01-30 19:01 ` Eric Piel
2007-01-31 10:55 ` Jiri Kosina
2007-01-31 11:03 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-12-20 4:56 ` [PATCH 2/2] Update feature-removal-schedule.txt Matthew Garrett
2006-12-22 20:47 ` Changes to PM layer break userspace Pavel Machek
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