public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gregkh@suse.de
Subject: Re: Changes to sysfs PM layer break userspace
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:56:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200612202056.28177.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061220195117.4d12dee7.akpm@osdl.org>

On Wednesday 20 December 2006 7:51 pm, Andrew Morton wrote:

> > +	if (!warned) {
> > +		printk(KERN_WARNING
> > +			"*** WARNING *** sysfs devices/.../power/state files "
> > +			"are only for testing, and will be removed\n");
> > +		warned = error;
> > +	}
> > +
> >  	/* disallow incomplete suspend sequences */
> >  	if (dev->bus && (dev->bus->suspend_late || dev->bus->resume_early))
> >  		return error;
> 
> Well that's not much use.  It tells people "hey, we broke it".  They
> already knew that.

No, it only does what you asked for:  warning people that they're using
something that's going away.  It says nothing about "broke".


> What we should do is to revert 047bda36150d11422b2c7bacca1df324c909c0b3 and

Bad answer ... see my original reply in this thread.  If "the answer" is
to involve making PCI devices work again, better solutions include reverting
the patch I mentioned (adding the suspend_late/resume_early support to PCI)
or a version of what Matthew has produced (poking through bus layers so
that test can be made to fail when the bus supports those methods but the
specific device's driver doesn't use them).

- Dave


  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-21  4:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-19 18:52 Changes to sysfs PM layer break userspace Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 19:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-19 19:44   ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 20:03     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-19 20:08       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 20:23         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-19 20:32           ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 20:55             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-21  0:08               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-12-19 21:34             ` David Brownell
2006-12-20  0:25               ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20  3:59                 ` Changes to " David Brownell
2006-12-20  4:26                   ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20  5:14                     ` David Brownell
2006-12-20  5:34                       ` Greg KH
2006-12-20  5:52                         ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20  7:50                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 12:53                             ` Network drivers that don't suspend on interface down Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 13:38                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 14:31                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 15:51                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 22:49                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-12-20 23:37                                       ` Rick Jones
2006-12-19 23:51                                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-12-21  0:11                                       ` Francois Romieu
2006-12-20  0:26                                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-12-21 11:18                                           ` Francois Romieu
2006-12-21  1:12                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  2:05                                         ` Michael Wu
2006-12-21  2:18                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  2:38                                             ` Daniel Drake
2006-12-21  2:45                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  3:08                                                 ` Daniel Drake
2006-12-21  3:25                                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  3:37                                                     ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21  3:29                                                   ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21  3:14                                             ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 13:14                                               ` jamal
2006-12-21  2:29                                         ` Daniel Drake
2006-12-21  2:10                                     ` Jesse Brandeburg
2006-12-21  8:54                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-22  1:03                                   ` Herbert Xu
2006-12-23  8:54                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-20 15:27                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-12-20 15:34                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 16:40                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-12-20 17:21                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 20:40                                         ` Benny Amorsen
2006-12-20 21:49                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 21:15                                     ` Stefan Rompf
2006-12-20 14:00                               ` Jiri Benc
2006-12-20 18:12                                 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21  1:15                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  1:57                                     ` Michael Wu
2006-12-21  2:20                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  3:02                                         ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21  3:06                                     ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21  3:14                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  3:32                                         ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 13:19                                           ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2006-12-21 17:16                                             ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 18:27                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22  1:25                                         ` Matt Domsch
2006-12-20 16:04                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2006-12-22 21:09                       ` Changes to PM layer break userspace Pavel Machek
2006-12-24  7:02                         ` David Brownell
2006-12-28 13:31                           ` Alan
2006-12-28 16:04                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-29  5:27                             ` David Brownell
2006-12-20  2:15               ` Changes to sysfs " Andrew Morton
2006-12-20  2:35                 ` Randy Dunlap
2006-12-20  3:49                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-20  3:29                 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21  3:51                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-21  4:56                     ` David Brownell [this message]
2006-12-21  5:02                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-21  7:05                         ` David Brownell
2006-12-21  8:27                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-22 20:44     ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-23 14:02       ` Stefan Seyfried
2006-12-19 21:22 ` David Brownell
2006-12-19 22:57   ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 23:36     ` Changes to " David Brownell
2006-12-20  0:09       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20  3:19         ` David Brownell
2006-12-20  3:43           ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20  4:15             ` David Brownell
2006-12-20  4:56               ` [PATCH 1/2] Fix /sys/device/.../power/state Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 21:18                 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21  1:29                   ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  3:04                     ` David Brownell
2006-12-21  4:06                       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  4:51                         ` David Brownell
2007-01-25  5:00                         ` [PATCH] Fix /sys/device/.../power/state regression Matthew Garrett
2007-01-26 19:59                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-26 20:42                             ` Greg KH
2007-01-27  1:26                               ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-27 17:19                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-26 20:41                           ` Greg KH
2007-01-26 21:56                             ` David Brownell
2007-01-26 22:19                               ` Greg KH
2007-01-26 23:15                               ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-27  0:42                                 ` David Brownell
2007-01-27  0:56                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-27  2:40                                     ` David Brownell
2007-01-27 17:38                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-27 22:42                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-31 10:34                                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-27  1:19                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-27  3:02                                     ` David Brownell
2007-01-29 17:36                                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-01-27 13:17                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-30 18:43                             ` Eric Piel
2007-01-30 18:47                               ` Oliver Neukum
2007-01-30 19:01                                 ` Eric Piel
2007-01-31 10:55                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2007-01-31 11:03                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2006-12-20  4:56               ` [PATCH 2/2] Update feature-removal-schedule.txt Matthew Garrett
2006-12-22 20:47         ` Changes to PM layer break userspace Pavel Machek

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=200612202056.28177.david-b@pacbell.net \
    --to=david-b@pacbell.net \
    --cc=akpm@osdl.org \
    --cc=arjan@infradead.org \
    --cc=gregkh@suse.de \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=mjg59@srcf.ucam.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox