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From: Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	dean gaudet <dean@arctic.org>, Viktor <vvp01@inbox.ru>,
	Aubrey <aubreylee@gmail.com>, Hua Zhong <hzhong@gmail.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hch@infradead.org,
	kenneth.w.chen@intel.com, akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT question
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:35:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070112223509.GA12512@codepoet.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701121705440.3470@woody.osdl.org>

On Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 05:09:09PM -0500, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> I suspect a lot of people actually have other reasons to avoid caches. 
> 
> For example, the reason to do O_DIRECT may well not be that you want to 
> avoid caching per se, but simply because you want to limit page cache 
> activity. In which case O_DIRECT "works", but it's really the wrong thing 
> to do. We could export other ways to do what people ACTUALLY want, that 
> doesn't have the downsides.

I was rather fond of the old O_STREAMING patch by Robert Love,
which added an open() flag telling the kernel to not keep data
from the current file in cache by dropping pages from the
pagecache before the current index.  O_STREAMING was very nice
for when you know you want to read a large file sequentially
without polluting the rest of the cache with GB of data that you
plan on only read once and discard.  It worked nicely at doing
what many people want to use O_DIRECT for.

Using O_STREAMING you would get normal read/write semantics since
you still had the pagecache caching your data, but only the
not-yet-written write-behind data and the not-yet-read read-ahead
data.  With the additional hint the kernel should drop free-able
pages from the pagecache behind the current position, because we
know we will never want them again.  I thought that was a very
nice way of handling things.

 -Erik

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Erik B. Andersen             http://codepoet-consulting.com/
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-01-12 22:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-11  2:57 O_DIRECT question Aubrey
2007-01-11  3:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-11  3:15   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-11  6:09     ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-11 15:50       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-11 16:19         ` Aubrey
2007-01-16  3:41           ` Jörn Engel
2007-01-11 16:23         ` bert hubert
2007-01-11 16:52         ` Xavier Bestel
2007-01-11 17:04           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-11 18:41             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-11 19:00               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-11 19:49                 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-12 17:03             ` Viktor
2007-01-20 16:19         ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-22 15:52           ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-11  5:50   ` Aubrey
2007-01-11  6:06     ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-11  6:45       ` Aubrey
2007-01-11  6:57         ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-11  7:05           ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-11  7:54             ` Aubrey
2007-01-11  8:05               ` Roy Huang
2007-01-11 16:45                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-17  4:29                   ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-12  2:12                 ` Aubrey
2007-01-12  2:47                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-12  3:59                   ` Roy Huang
2007-01-11  8:12               ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-11  8:49                 ` Roy Huang
2007-01-11  9:09                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-12  2:48                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-12  4:30                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-12  4:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-12  4:56                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-12  4:58                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-12  5:18                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-12  5:22                         ` Aubrey
2007-01-12 14:59                           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-13  4:51                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-11  6:16     ` Alexander Shishkin
2007-01-11  6:57       ` Aubrey
2007-01-11 12:13   ` Viktor
2007-01-11 15:53     ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-11 16:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-11 17:13       ` Michael Tokarev
2007-01-11 23:01         ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-11 23:06           ` Hua Zhong
2007-01-12 15:21             ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-20 16:36         ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-20 20:55           ` Michael Tokarev
2007-01-20 23:05             ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-21 12:09               ` Michael Tokarev
2007-01-21 20:02                 ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-22 16:17                   ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-24 21:15                     ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-25 15:44                       ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-25 17:38                         ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-25 19:28                           ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-25 19:52                             ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-25 20:03                               ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-25 20:45                                 ` Michael Tokarev
2007-01-25 21:11                                   ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-26 16:02                                     ` Mark Lord
2007-01-26 16:52                                       ` Viktor
2007-01-26 16:58                                       ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-26 17:05                                     ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-26 23:16                                       ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-02-06 20:39                                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-26 18:23                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-26 23:35                                       ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-28 15:18                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-28 17:03                                           ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-29 15:43                                             ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-29 17:00                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-01-30  0:05                                               ` Denis Vlasenko
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2007-01-30 18:50                                                       ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-30 19:57                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-01-30 20:06                                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-01-30 23:07                                                           ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-31  2:28                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-01-31  9:37                                                             ` Michael Tokarev
2007-01-26 15:53                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-11 17:42       ` Alan
2007-01-11 18:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-12  7:57       ` dean gaudet
2007-01-12 15:27         ` Phillip Susi
2007-01-12 18:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-12 20:23           ` Chris Mason
2007-01-12 20:46             ` Michael Tokarev
2007-01-12 20:52               ` Michael Tokarev
2007-01-12 21:03                 ` Michael Tokarev
2007-01-12 21:17                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-12 21:54                     ` Michael Tokarev
2007-01-12 22:09                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-12 22:26                         ` Michael Tokarev
2007-01-12 22:35                         ` Erik Andersen [this message]
2007-01-12 22:47                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-14  9:11                             ` Nate Diller
2007-01-20 16:45                               ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-22  1:47                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-01-13 20:07                     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-13 20:27                       ` Michael Tokarev
2007-01-14 15:39                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-12 21:39                   ` Disk Cache, Was: " Zan Lynx
2007-01-12 22:10                     ` Michael Tokarev
2007-01-15 12:11               ` Helge Hafting
2007-01-12 16:59       ` Viktor
2007-01-11 12:45   ` Erik Mouw
2007-01-11  4:51 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-11  5:06   ` Gerrit Huizenga
2007-01-11 16:09   ` Badari Pulavarty
2007-01-11 12:34 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-01-11 13:06   ` Martin Mares
2007-01-11 14:15   ` Jens Axboe
2007-01-12  2:13   ` Bill Davidsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-01-17 14:27 Alex Tomas
2007-01-22 15:59 Al Boldi
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2007-01-11 13:20                 ` Bodo Eggert
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2007-01-13 16:53                     ` Bodo Eggert
2007-01-13 19:30                       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-14 18:51                         ` Bodo Eggert
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2007-01-14 19:39                           ` Bodo Eggert
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2007-01-16 20:26                 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-01-17  5:55                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-01-17 22:36                     ` Bodo Eggert
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2007-01-27 14:01       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-01-27 14:14         ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-28 15:30           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-28 17:18             ` Denis Vlasenko

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