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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/7] barrier: a scalable synchonisation barrier
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 00:13:40 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070131211340.GA171@tv-sign.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070131191215.GK2574@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On 01/31, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 04:24:35PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:51:21PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > This barrier thing is constructed so that it will not write in the 
> > > > sync() condition (the hot path) when there are no active lock 
> > > > sections; thus avoiding cacheline bouncing. -- I'm just not sure how 
> > > > this will work out in relation to PI. We might track those in the 
> > > > barrier scope and boost those by the max prio of the blockers.
> > > 
> > > Is this really needed?  We seem to grow new funky locking algorithms 
> > > exponentially, while people already have a hard time understanding the 
> > > existing ones.
> > 
> > yes, it's needed.
> 
> Would it be possible to come up with something common between this primitive
> and the one that Oleg Nesterov put together for Jens Axboe?
> 
> 	http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/11/29/330
> 
> Oleg's approach acquires a lock on the update side, which Peter would
> not want in the uncontended case -- but perhaps there is some way to
> make Oleg's approach be able to safely test both counters so as to
> avoid acquiring the lock if there are no readers.
> 
> Oleg, any chance of this working?  I believe it does, but have not
> thought it through fully.

I think no. From the quick reading, barrier_sync() and qrcu/srcu are
quite different. Consider:

barrier_lock()

				barrier_sync();

barrier_unlock();
				... wake up ...
							barrier_lock();

				schedule again

The last "schedule again" would be a BUG for qrcu/srcu, but probably
it is ok for barrier_sync(). It looks like barrier_sync() is more a
rw semaphore biased to readers.

A couple of minor off-topic notes,

+static inline void barrier_unlock(struct barrier *b)
+{
+       smp_wmb();
+       if (atomic_dec_and_test(&b->count))
+               __wake_up(&b->wait, TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE|TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE, 0, b);

This is wake_up_all(&b->wait), yes? I don't undestans why key == b, it could be NULL.

+static inline void barrier_sync(struct barrier *b)
+{
+       might_sleep();
+
+       if (unlikely(atomic_read(&b->count))) {
+               DEFINE_WAIT(wait);
+               prepare_to_wait(&b->wait, &wait, TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE);
+               while (atomic_read(&b->count))
+                       schedule();
+               finish_wait(&b->wait, &wait);
+       }
+}

This should be open-coded wait_event(), but wrong! With the scenario above this
can hang forever! because the first wake_up removes the task from the &b->wait.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-31 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-28 11:51 [PATCH 0/7] breaking the global file_list_lock Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-28 11:51 ` [PATCH 1/7] lockdep: lock_set_subclass - reset a held locks subclass Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-28 11:51 ` [PATCH 3/7] barrier: a scalable synchonisation barrier Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-28 14:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-28 15:24     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-28 15:34       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-31 19:12       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-01-31 21:13         ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2007-01-31 21:30           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-31 21:48           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-31 23:32             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-02-01  0:03               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-02-01  0:48                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-02-01 16:00                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-02-01 21:38                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-02-02 11:56                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-02-02 12:01                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-02-02 17:13                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-02-03 16:38                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-02-04  0:23                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-02-04  3:24                       ` Alan Stern
2007-02-04  5:46                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-01-28 11:51 ` [PATCH 4/7] fs: break the file_list_lock for sb->s_files Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-28 14:43   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-28 15:21     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-28 15:30       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-28 15:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-28 15:36           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-28 15:44         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-28 16:25         ` Bill Huey
2007-01-28 11:51 ` [PATCH 5/7] fs: restore previous sb->s_files iteration semantics Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-28 11:51 ` [PATCH 6/7] schedule_on_each_cpu_wq() Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-28 11:51 ` [PATCH 7/7] fs: fixup filevec_add_drain_all Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-28 12:16 ` [PATCH 8/7] fs: free_write_pipe() fix Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-28 14:43 ` [PATCH 0/7] breaking the global file_list_lock Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-28 15:11   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-28 15:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-28 15:33       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-29 13:32     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-01-29 18:02       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-28 15:24   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-28 16:52     ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-01-28 17:04       ` lockmeter Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-28 17:38         ` lockmeter Martin J. Bligh
2007-01-28 18:01           ` lockmeter Bill Huey
2007-01-28 19:26             ` lockmeter Ingo Molnar
2007-01-28 21:17             ` lockmeter Ingo Molnar
2007-01-29  5:27               ` lockmeter Bill Huey
2007-01-29 10:26                 ` lockmeter Bill Huey
2007-01-29  1:08         ` lockmeter Arjan van de Ven
2007-01-29  1:12           ` lockmeter Martin J. Bligh
2007-01-28 18:41   ` [PATCH 0/7] breaking the global file_list_lock Ingo Molnar
2007-01-28 20:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-28 21:05       ` Ingo Molnar

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