From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Daniel Barkalow <barkalow@iabervon.org>,
nigel@nigel.suspend2.net, Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
pm list <linux-pm@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: NAK new drivers without proper power management?
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:54:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070211065404.GA943@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200702102050.28218.rjw@sisk.pl>
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 08:50:27PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Saturday, 10 February 2007 18:52, Daniel Barkalow wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, 10 February 2007 11:02, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, the original desire was to stop new drivers getting in without
> > > > proper power management.
> > >
> > > I know, but I agree with the argument that having a driver without the
> > > suspend/resume support is better than not having the driver at all.
> >
> > How about if "proper power management" is defined to include the driver
> > explicitly preventing suspend? It seems to me like the current problem is
> > that driver writers don't think about power management at all, and the
> > result is that, after suspend/resume, the system doesn't come back. It
> > would be better if driver writers had to think about power management just
> > enough to realize that it's not going to work, and make this information
> > available to the system. At that point, it's relatively easy for the
> > system to do something useful about it.
>
> Actually, it is easy for the driver authors to do this right now. They can
> just make the .suspend() routine always return an error.
>
> Well, I think this is a good idea: if the device in question requires specific
> power management during the suspend/resume, but it is not implemented by the
> driver, we should require the author of the driver to define the .suspend()
> routine that returns -ENOSYS (preferably, with an explanatory warning in
> dmesg).
instead of modifying all drivers to explicitly state that they don't support
it, we should start with a test of the NULL pointer for .suspend which should
mean exactly the same without modifying the drivers. I find it obvious that
a driver which does provide a suspend function will not support it. And if
some drivers (eg /dev/null) can support it anyway, it's better to change
*those* drivers to explicitly mark them as compatible.
regards,
Willy
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[not found] ` <fa.DuG12yQo+RR4jIjJTnoOwtKM0Ao@ifi.uio.no>
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2007-02-10 1:50 ` NAK new drivers without proper power management? Robert Hancock
2007-02-10 1:59 ` Lee Revell
2007-02-10 2:09 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 2:22 ` Lee Revell
2007-02-10 3:21 ` Kevin Fox
2007-02-10 20:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-10 4:35 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-02-13 21:08 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-10 12:47 ` Stefan Richter
2007-02-10 2:05 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 3:27 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-02-10 4:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 3:02 ` [PATCH] " Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 9:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 10:02 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 10:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 17:52 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-02-10 19:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 6:54 ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2007-02-11 12:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-11 13:09 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 13:19 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-11 13:37 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 13:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 13:57 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 14:36 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 15:19 ` Pekka Enberg
2007-02-11 18:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 17:27 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-02-11 18:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:06 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 21:04 ` Stefan Richter
2007-02-11 21:10 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 17:36 ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-11 22:49 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 19:37 ` Pavel Machek
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[not found] ` <fa.kop49l/7yexJoUGrzk6vVeIP934@ifi.uio.no>
2007-02-10 23:20 ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-11 0:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 17:01 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 22:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2007-02-11 18:31 ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-11 21:52 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 22:26 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 22:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 23:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:38 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 23:45 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 0:26 ` Alan
2007-02-12 5:19 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-12 20:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 22:36 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:23 ` Alan
2007-02-11 23:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:47 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:55 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 0:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 0:15 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 12:19 ` Pavel Machek
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2007-02-12 0:59 ` Robert Hancock
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