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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>,
	nigel@nigel.suspend2.net,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: NAK new drivers without proper power management?
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:01:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070211170126.GA4136@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200702110144.17783.rjw@sisk.pl>

Hi!

> > > -ENOSYS is just not acceptable.
> > 
> > Well, it's probably more acceptable than silently doing nothing and the 
> > device failing or locking up the machine on resume, but I couldn't agree 
> > more that it's not what we want to be encouraging. Perfect may be the 
> > enemy of the good, but "works except no power management" is hardly what 
> > I would call good these days, more like pretty sloppy..
> 
> I think there are situations in which it can be justified, like:
> - The driver is not entirely finished, but we want to merge it early, because
> of many potential users,
> - The driver has only a few users who aren't interested in the suspend/resume
> functionality,
> - The device is undocumented and we don't know how to make it handle the
> suspend/resume (we may learn that in the future or not).
> 
> For this reason I 100% agree that we should _encourage_ implementing .suspend
> and .resume, but we should not make it an unbreakable rule cast in stone.

No rules are ever unbreakable, so that should be okay. 'Make it
suspend, if you can't for some good reason, at least return -ENOSYS
from .suspend' sounds good to me.
							Pavel
-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-11 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.xSKPgY66Q+DPCZ1pszFFfdrJ0To@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.FzHdYYYH5Ru57c8/yRxLylpH0Kk@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.DuG12yQo+RR4jIjJTnoOwtKM0Ao@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.Jy0FJQtASvVEpsy8Q96uoHtyEVA@ifi.uio.no>
2007-02-10  1:50       ` NAK new drivers without proper power management? Robert Hancock
2007-02-10  1:59         ` Lee Revell
2007-02-10  2:09           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10  2:22             ` Lee Revell
2007-02-10  3:21               ` Kevin Fox
2007-02-10 20:40               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-10  4:35           ` Joseph Fannin
2007-02-13 21:08             ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-10 12:47           ` Stefan Richter
2007-02-10  2:05         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10  3:27           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-02-10  4:18             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10  3:02         ` [PATCH] " Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10  9:34           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 10:02             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 10:30               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 17:52                 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-02-10 19:50                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11  6:54                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 12:13                       ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-11 13:09                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 13:19                           ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-11 13:37                             ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 13:50                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 13:57                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 14:36                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 15:19                                     ` Pekka Enberg
2007-02-11 18:31                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 17:27                                     ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-02-11 18:53                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:06                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:10                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 21:04                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-02-11 21:10                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 17:36                         ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-11 22:49                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 19:37                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]   ` <fa.DhkemAgVI60diqZy0t9GzpwyLmk@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.E/NjHlgg0HqDg5CgZjnCHFi2AMM@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]       ` <fa.kop49l/7yexJoUGrzk6vVeIP934@ifi.uio.no>
2007-02-10 23:20         ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-11  0:44           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 17:01             ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2007-02-11 22:40             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:29               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:40                 ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]         ` <fa.EgQN5JpU6xrZSLyOY0kWjJ26hUM@ifi.uio.no>
2007-02-11 18:31           ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-11 21:52             ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 22:26               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 22:46                 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 23:18                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:38                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 23:45                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12  0:26                       ` Alan
2007-02-12  5:19                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-12 20:20                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 22:36                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:23                   ` Alan
2007-02-11 23:38                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:41                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:47                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:50                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:55                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12  0:09                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12  0:15                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 12:19               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]         ` <fa.O1YH4k5KtBGCNs5i2yB17bPvPGw@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]           ` <fa.RfzClbTP/7B79AoEbQLNj3ABfIk@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]             ` <fa.AaJ/ugmiUmPO8uC+y1rS9JLuuMc@ifi.uio.no>
2007-02-12  0:59               ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-09 21:57 Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-09 22:17 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-09 22:26   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-09 22:44     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-09 22:51       ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-09 23:12         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-09 23:28           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10  0:12             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10  0:25     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-02-10  6:43       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-10 23:52         ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-10  7:15     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-10 19:38   ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-10 22:20     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 22:37       ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 23:45         ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-11  0:27           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 22:41             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-13 15:55               ` Mark Lord
2007-02-13 16:06                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-02-11 22:37           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12  0:10             ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-12  0:20               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12  4:08               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 20:06                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 22:38                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11  6:46         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 13:04           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 22:47           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 22:57             ` Manu Abraham
2007-02-11 23:20               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:25                 ` Manu Abraham
2007-02-11 23:29                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 23:33                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 16:52                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 20:31                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 20:58                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 21:01                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 21:24                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 21:43                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-13  9:42                         ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-13 19:24                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-14 23:45                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-02-12  9:45                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-12 12:59           ` Gerhard Mack
2007-02-12 20:20             ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-13 15:23               ` Brad Campbell
2007-02-12 20:46             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 13:51           ` Tino Keitel
2007-02-11 19:42       ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 21:02         ` Alan
2007-02-11 23:04           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12  0:28             ` Alan
2007-02-12  0:24               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:10           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:16             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:22               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:23                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 23:21             ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 23:29               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 22:21         ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-12  8:49       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-02-12 15:04         ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 15:57           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-02-12 16:55             ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 20:38             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-13 10:02             ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-10  3:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-10  4:42   ` Nigel Cunningham

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