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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Jiri Bohac <jbohac@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ssouhlal@freebsd.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, johnstul@us.ibm.com, zippel@linux-m68k.org
Subject: Re: [patch 4/9] Remove the TSC synchronization on SMP machines
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:38:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070213223833.GB7615@v2.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070213221848.GF9189@suse.cz>

Hi,

On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:18:48PM +0100, Vojtech Pavlik wrote:
> It's not inherent to ntpd's design, but the current (which may have been
> fixed since I looked last) implementation of the NTP PLL in the kernel.
> 
> The interaction with ntpd can be fixed and I've done it in the past
> once, although the fix wasn't all that nice.

Yep, it can slowly move towards the correct time, but ntpdate (or more
generally settimeofday) remains a fundamental issue (and I prefer time
skews to be fixed ASAP, not slowly).

If the admin is good, he can know that if he ever runs the db when the
clock isn't perfectly synchronized with the atomic clock, he risks to
screwup his whole dataset as the apps won't even handle time going
backwards after reboot.

I think there should be a limit to how much an app can pretend from
gtod before generating failures. Certainly it's always better to write
apps that are robust against a not monotonic gtod because eventually
it _can_ happen (either that or remove the stod syscall ;).

About ntpdate at boot and ntpd at runtime, not running them isn't
really an option on the server IMHO, think the liability if system
time runs out of sync of a minute and you need to know exactly when
something bad has happened.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-13 22:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-01  9:59 [patch 0/9] x86_64: reliable TSC-based gettimeofday jbohac
2007-02-01  9:59 ` [patch 1/9] Fix HPET init race jbohac
2007-02-02  2:34   ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-06 16:44     ` Jiri Bohac
2007-02-07  0:12       ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-10 12:31         ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-26 20:58           ` Robin Holt
2007-02-01  9:59 ` [patch 2/9] Remove the support for the VXTIME_PMTMR timer mode jbohac
2007-02-01 11:13   ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 13:13     ` Jiri Bohac
2007-02-01 13:13       ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 13:59         ` Jiri Bohac
2007-02-01 14:18           ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01  9:59 ` [patch 3/9] Remove the support for the VXTIME_HPET " jbohac
2007-02-01  9:59 ` [patch 4/9] Remove the TSC synchronization on SMP machines jbohac
2007-02-01 11:14   ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 13:17     ` Jiri Bohac
2007-02-01 15:16       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2007-02-02  7:14         ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-13  0:34           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-02-13  6:40             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-13  8:28               ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-13  8:41                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-13 17:09               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-02-13 17:20                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-13 22:18                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2007-02-13 22:38                     ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2007-02-14  6:59                       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2007-02-13 23:55                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-02-14  0:18                   ` Paul Mackerras
2007-02-14  0:25                     ` john stultz
2007-02-02  7:13       ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 21:05     ` mbligh
2007-02-03  1:16   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-02-01  9:59 ` [patch 5/9] Add all the necessary structures to the vsyscall page jbohac
2007-02-01 11:17   ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01  9:59 ` [patch 6/9] Add the "Master Timer" jbohac
2007-02-01 11:22   ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 13:29     ` Jiri Bohac
2007-02-01  9:59 ` [patch 7/9] Adapt the time initialization code jbohac
2007-02-01 11:26   ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 13:41     ` Jiri Bohac
2007-02-01 10:00 ` [patch 8/9] Add time_update_mt_guess() jbohac
2007-02-01 11:28   ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 13:54     ` Jiri Bohac
2007-02-01 10:00 ` [patch 9/9] Make use of the Master Timer jbohac
2007-02-01 11:36   ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 14:29     ` Jiri Bohac
2007-02-01 15:23       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2007-02-02  7:05         ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-02  7:04       ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 11:20 ` [patch 0/9] x86_64: reliable TSC-based gettimeofday Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 11:53   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-02-01 12:02     ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 12:54       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-02-01 12:17   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 14:52   ` Jiri Bohac
2007-02-01 16:56     ` john stultz
2007-02-01 19:41       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2007-02-01 11:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 11:46 ` [-mm patch] x86_64 GTOD: offer scalable vgettimeofday Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 12:01   ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 12:14     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 12:17   ` [-mm patch] x86_64 GTOD: offer scalable vgettimeofday II Andi Kleen
2007-02-01 12:24     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-01 12:45       ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-02  4:22 ` [patch 0/9] x86_64: reliable TSC-based gettimeofday Andrew Morton
2007-02-02  7:07   ` Andi Kleen

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