From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752341AbXCFIUY (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 03:20:24 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752348AbXCFIUY (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 03:20:24 -0500 Received: from mx2.mail.elte.hu ([157.181.151.9]:53675 "EHLO mx2.mail.elte.hu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752341AbXCFIUW (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 03:20:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:19:09 +0100 From: Ingo Molnar To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge Cc: Zachary Amsden , Rusty Russell , virtualization , Andrew Morton , Linus Torvalds , Roland McGrath , Andi Kleen , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jan Beulich Subject: Xen & VMI? Message-ID: <20070306081909.GA9331@elte.hu> References: <20070305120631.GA14105@elte.hu> <1173101297.26165.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1173142644.4644.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45ECBDDC.8080708@vmware.com> <45ECC076.9050209@goop.org> <45ECC91D.1020809@vmware.com> <45ECC9B6.1060209@goop.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45ECC9B6.1060209@goop.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-ELTE-VirusStatus: clean X-ELTE-SpamScore: -2.0 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamVersion: ELTE 2.0 X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-2.0 required=5.9 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no SpamAssassin version=3.1.7 -2.0 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org btw., while we have everyone on the phone and talking ;) Technologically it would save us a whole lot of trouble in Linux if 'external' hypervisors could standardize around a single ABI - such as VMI. Is there any deep reason why Xen couldnt use VMI to talk to Linux? I suspect a range of VMI vectors could be set aside for Xen's dom0 (and other) APIs that have no current VMI equivalent - if there's broad agreement on the current 60+ base VMI vectors that center around basic x86 CPU capabilities - which make up the largest portion of our paravirtualization complexity. Pipe dream? there are already 5 major hypervisors we are going to support (in alphabetical order): - KVM - lguest - Windows - VMWare - Xen the QA matrix is gonna be a _mess_. Okay, lguest and KVM is special because both the client and the server side is in the same source code, so the ABI [if any] is alot easier to manage. That still leaves another three... Ingo