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From: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
To: vatsa@in.ibm.com
Cc: ebiederm@xmission.com, menage@google.com,
	ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	xemul@sw.ru, winget@google.com, containers@lists.osdl.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 0/2] resource control file system - aka containers on top of nsproxy!
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 11:36:23 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070309113623.51de3f5f.pj@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070309181908.GC21661@in.ibm.com>

Herbert wrote (and vatsa quoted):
> precisely, once you are inside a resource container, you
> must not have the ability to modify its limits, and to
> some degree, you should not know about the actual available
> resources, but only about the artificial limits

Not necessarily.  Depending on the resource we are managing, and on how
all encompassing one chooses to make the virtualization, this might be
an overly Draconian permission model.

Certainly in cpusets, any task can see the the whole system view, if
there are fairly typical permissions on some /dev/cpuset files.  A task
might even be able to change those limits for any task on the system,
if it has stronger priviledge.

Whether or not to really virtualize something, so that the contained
task can't tell it is in side a cacoon, is a somewhat separate question
from whether or not to limit a tasks use of a particular precious
resource.

-- 
                  I won't rest till it's the best ...
                  Programmer, Linux Scalability
                  Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com> 1.925.600.0401

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-09 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-01 13:35 [PATCH 0/2] resource control file system - aka containers on top of nsproxy! Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-01 13:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] rcfs core patch Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-01 16:31   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-01 16:46     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-02  5:06   ` [ckrm-tech] " Balbir Singh
2007-03-03  9:38     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-08  3:12   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08  9:10     ` Paul Menage
2007-03-09  0:38       ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09  9:07         ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-09 13:29           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 17:57         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-10  1:19           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-11 16:36             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-12 23:16               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-08 10:13     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09  0:48       ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09  2:35         ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09  9:23         ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-09  9:38           ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09 13:21           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-11 17:09             ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-12 23:00               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13  8:28                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-13 13:55                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13 14:11                     ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-13 15:52                       ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 18:14         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09 19:25           ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-10  1:00             ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-10  1:31               ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-10  0:56           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 16:16       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-01 13:50 ` [PATCH 2/2] cpu_accounting controller Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-01 19:39 ` [PATCH 0/2] resource control file system - aka containers on top of nsproxy! Paul Jackson
2007-03-02 15:45   ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-02 16:52     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-02 17:25       ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-03-03 17:45     ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-03 21:22       ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-05 17:47         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-03  9:36   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-03 10:21     ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-05 17:02       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-03 17:32     ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-05 17:34       ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-05 18:39         ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-06 10:39           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-06 13:28             ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-06 16:21               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07  2:32 ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 17:30   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 17:29     ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 17:52       ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 17:32     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 17:43     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-07 17:46       ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 23:16         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08 11:39           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 18:00       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 20:58         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-07 21:20           ` Paul Menage
2007-03-07 21:59             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-07 22:13               ` Dave Hansen
2007-03-07 23:13                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-12 14:11               ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-07 22:32             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-07 23:18               ` Paul Menage
2007-03-08  0:35                 ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08  0:42                   ` Paul Menage
2007-03-08  0:53                     ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08  0:58                       ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2007-03-08  1:32                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08  1:35                           ` Paul Menage
2007-03-08  2:25                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-09  0:56                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09  0:53                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 18:19                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09 19:36                               ` Paul Jackson [this message]
2007-03-09 21:52                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 22:06                                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-12 14:01                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 15:15                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 20:26                                     ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09  4:30                           ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-08  2:47                         ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08  2:57                           ` Paul Menage
2007-03-08  3:32                             ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08  6:10                               ` Matt Helsley
2007-03-08  6:44                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-09  1:06                                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-10  9:06                                     ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-11 21:15                                       ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-12  9:35                                         ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-12 10:00                                         ` Paul Menage
2007-03-12 23:21                                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13  2:25                                             ` Paul Menage
2007-03-13 15:57                                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09  4:37                                 ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-08  6:32                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08  9:10                               ` Paul Menage
2007-03-09 16:50                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-22 14:08                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-22 14:39                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-22 14:56                                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09  4:27                       ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-10  8:52                         ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-10  9:11                           ` Paul Jackson
2007-03-09 16:34             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09 16:41               ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09 22:09               ` Paul Menage
2007-03-10  2:02                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-10  3:19                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 15:07                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 15:56                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-12 16:20                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-12 17:25                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-03-12 21:15                       ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-12 23:31                       ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-13  2:22                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-08  0:50     ` Sam Vilain
2007-03-08 11:30       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-09  1:16         ` Herbert Poetzl
2007-03-09 18:41           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-03-10  2:03             ` Herbert Poetzl

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