From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: ABI coupling to hypervisors via CONFIG_PARAVIRT
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 23:12:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070309221233.GA24341@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45F1D8D7.9040207@goop.org>
* Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org> wrote:
> Now it may be that you've got a change that's absolutely great for
> everyone, and the only blocker is that the FoobieVisor can't deal with
> it. OK, great, then you'd have a point.
yep. That's precisely my worry. And it doesnt have to be a 'great' thing
- just any random small change in the kernel that makes sense: what is
the likelyhood that it cannot be implemented, no matter what amount of
insight, paravirt_ops + hyper-ABI emulation hackery, for FoobieVisor,
because FoobieVisor messed up its ABI.
that likelyhood is a pure function of how FoobieVisor's hypercall ABI is
shaped. Wow! So can you guess where my fixation about not having too
many ABIs could possibly originate from? ;-)
Until today everyone on the hypervisor side of the argument pretended
that paravirt_ops solves all problems and acted stupid when i said an
ABI is an ABI is an ABI, and that "backwards compatibility" does have
some technological consequences. _Now_ at least i've got this minimal
admission that FoobieVisor _might_ break. Quite a breakthrough =B-)
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-03-09 22:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-03-09 18:02 ABI coupling to hypervisors via CONFIG_PARAVIRT Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 18:28 ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-09 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 19:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 19:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:05 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 21:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 21:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:40 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 22:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 22:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 23:07 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-09 23:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 23:38 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-09 21:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:27 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-09 21:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 21:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 22:12 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-03-09 22:30 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 22:10 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-09 22:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 22:36 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-03-09 23:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 22:46 ` Chris Wright
2007-03-09 23:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 23:13 ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-09 20:50 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-03-09 22:50 ` Lee Revell
2007-03-14 8:41 ` alsa was " Pavel Machek
2007-03-14 15:59 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2007-03-15 9:03 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-15 9:10 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-15 9:23 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-03-15 9:32 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 19:00 ` Chris Wright
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