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From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
To: Pavel Emelianov <xemul@sw.ru>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Sukadev Bhattiprolu <sukadev@us.ibm.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] kernel/pid.c pid allocation wierdness
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:37:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200703161237.48014.dada1@cosmosbay.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45FA7823.2040104@sw.ru>

On Friday 16 March 2007 11:57, Pavel Emelianov wrote:
> Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > On 03/14, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >> Pavel Emelianov <xemul@sw.ru> writes:
> >>> Hi.
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking at how alloc_pid() works and can't understand
> >>> one (simple/stupid) thing.
> >>>
> >>> It first kmem_cache_alloc()-s a strct pid, then calls
> >>> alloc_pidmap() and at the end it taks a global pidmap_lock()
> >>> to add new pid to hash.
> >
> > We need some global lock. pidmap_lock is already here, and it is
> > only used to protect pidmap->page allocation. Iow, it is almost
> > unused. So it was very natural to re-use it while implementing
> > pidrefs.
> >
> >>> The question is - why does alloc_pidmap() use at least
> >>> two atomic ops and potentially loop to find a zero bit
> >>> in pidmap? Why not call alloc_pidmap() under pidmap_lock
> >>> and find zero pid in pidmap w/o any loops and atomics?
> >
> > Currently we search for zero bit lockless, why do you want
> > to do it under spin_lock ?
>
> Search isn't lockless. Look:
>
> while (1) {
>    if (!test_and_set_bit(...)) {
>        atomic_dec(&nr_free);
>        return pid;
>    }
>    ...
> }
>
> we use two atomic operations to find and set a bit in a map.

The finding of the zero bit is done without lock. (Search/lookup)

Then , the reservation of the found bit (test_and_set_bit) is done, and 
decrement of nr_free. It may fail because the search was done lockless.

Finding a zero bit in a 4096 bytes array may consume about 6000 cycles on 
modern hardware. Much more on SMP/NUMA machines, or on machines where 
PAGE_SIZE is 64K instead of 4K :)

You don't want to hold pidmad_lock for so long period.


  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-16 11:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-14  7:30 [RFC] kernel/pid.c pid allocation wierdness Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-14 14:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-14 15:03   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-14 16:54     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-15 20:26       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-16 13:04         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-16 19:46           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-16 21:18             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-14 15:33   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-03-16 10:57     ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-16 11:37       ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2007-03-16 11:58         ` Pavel Emelianov
2007-03-16 11:40       ` Dmitry Adamushko
2007-03-14 14:43 ` William Lee Irwin III

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