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From: Maxim <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>
To: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [BUG] 2.6.21-rc1,2,3 regressions on my system that I found so far
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:45:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200703180045.18490.maximlevitsky@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200703162132.53906.lenb@kernel.org>

On Saturday 17 March 2007 03:32:53 Len Brown wrote:
> On Friday 16 March 2007 19:44, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > Maxim,
> > 
> > On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 12:30 +0200, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
> > > 3) Sometimes I get this (once in three boots or so)
> > > 
> > > [   36.217405] ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs
> > > [   36.217587] ..TIMER: vector=0x31 apic1=0 pin1=2 apic2=-1 pin2=-1
> > > [   36.433917] APIC timer disabled due to verification failure.
> > > 
> > > And NO_HZ is disabled due to that (I get 1000/s timer's interrupts)
> > > I haven't investigated that yet.
> > > It looks like another new test that my hardware fails to perform... 
> > 
> > Yes, this is probably caused by SMM code trying to emulate a PS/2
> > keyboard from a (maybe connected or not) USB keyboard. Unfortunately we
> > have no way to disable this BIOS misfeature in the early boot process. 
> > Arjan, Len ?????
> 
> Nope.  By definition, SMM is invisible to the OS -- we don't even
> get a bit that said it occurred (though we'd like one -- it would
> be really helpful to diagnose issues like this one)
> 
> So go into BIOS SETUP and see if there is a USB Legacy Emulation
> feature that you can disable.  Sometimes there is not, but disabling
> onboard USB altogether may help at least prove the issue is in that area.
> 
> > I built in this test to rule out bogus LAPIC timer calibration values
> > which are sometimes off by factor 2-10.
> > 
> > But I also built in a calibration against the PM-Timer, which turned out
> > to be quite reliable and I think the additional verification step is
> > only necessary for sytems without PM-Timer.
> > 
> > That was a bit over cautious from my side. I send a patch to avoid this
> > when PM-Timer is available in a separate mail.
> 
> PM-Timer was invented to work-around the issue that the TSC became unreliable
> in the face of power management on laptops.  In particular, to be able
> to time duration of OS idle where TSC stopped.
> 
> While it is not fine grain, and it is not low-latency, is should
> be very reliable.  My understanding is that it is implemented as
> a simple divider right off the system 14MHz clock -- the signal
> which most motherboard clocks are PLL multiplied up from --
> including the 100MHz front-side bus which drives the LAPIC timer.
> 
> But that said, I don't understand why calibrating the LAPIC timer
> using the PM-timer is going to be more reliable -- exactly how
> and why did the previous calibration scheme fail?
> Maybe I could follow the new logic in apic.c if I saw the "apic=debug"
> output for this box.
> 
> cheers,
> -Len
> 
> 
> 

Hi,

	Yes, usb emulation is enabled, but I need it. I will test without usb emulation, but since it shows only sometimes, 
	I don't know yet whenever usb legacy affects it.

	Regards, 
		Maxim Levitsky

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-03-17 22:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-16 10:30 [BUG] 2.6.21-rc1,2,3 regressions on my system that I found so far Maxim Levitsky
2007-03-16 23:19 ` Len Brown
2007-03-17 23:00   ` Maxim
2007-03-17 23:32     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-12-30  7:50       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-12-30 14:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-20 11:54     ` sysfs ugly timer interface (was Re: [BUG] 2.6.21-rc1,2,3 regressions on my system that I found so far) Pavel Machek
2007-03-22 15:28       ` Greg KH
2007-03-22 15:41         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-23  1:24         ` sysfs q [was: sysfs ugly timer interface] Jan Engelhardt
2007-03-23  4:48           ` Greg KH
2007-03-23  6:05             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-03-16 23:39 ` [BUG] 2.6.21-rc1,2,3 regressions on my system that I found so far Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-17 23:01   ` Maxim
2007-03-16 23:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-17  0:04   ` [PATCH] i386: trust the PM-Timer calibration of the local APIC timer Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-17  7:22     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17 13:24     ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-18  8:12     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-18  8:45       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-17  1:32   ` [BUG] 2.6.21-rc1,2,3 regressions on my system that I found so far Len Brown
2007-03-17  9:56     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-17 11:05       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-17 16:52       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-17 10:32     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-03-17 13:26       ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20  4:27         ` Greg KH
2007-03-20  6:30           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-20  9:14           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-03-20 11:36           ` Andi Kleen
2007-03-20 11:41             ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-17 22:45     ` Maxim [this message]
2007-03-20  5:04   ` Lee Revell
2007-03-20  5:36     ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-03-20  9:15       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-03-20 18:04         ` Andy Lutomirski
2007-03-20 22:58         ` Eric St-Laurent

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