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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind@infradead.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Frank Haverkamp <haver@vnet.ibm.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/22 take 3] UBI: Unsorted Block Images
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:27:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070318162720.GI10459@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070314151934.1112.70126.sendpatchset@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 05:19:34PM +0200, Artem Bityutskiy wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> This patch-set contains UBI, which stands for Unsorted Block Images. This
> is closely related to the memory technology devices Linux subsystem (MTD),
> so this new piece of software is from drivers/mtd/ubi.
> 
> In short, UBI is kind of LVM layer but for flash (MTD) devices. It makes
> it possible to dynamically create, delete and re-size volumes. But the
> analogy is not full. UBI also takes care of wear-leveling and bad
> eraseblocks handling, so UBI completely hides 2 aspects of flash chips
> which make them very difficult to work with:
> 
> 1. wear of eraseblocks;
> 2. bad eraseblocks.

Forgive my ignorance, but why did you not implement the two features
above as device mapper layers instead? A device mapper can arbitrarily
transform I/O addresses and contents and has direct access to the
mapped device's ioctl interfaces, etc. 

Writing a mapper that's driven by out of band data on the underlying
device can be done in a couple hundred lines of code. I've done it to
implement an MD5 integrity checking layer. In this case, all the I/Os
were simply remapped to be above the on-disk MD5 table and expanded to
be at least the hashed cluster size.

Even if the device mapper API is not completely up to the task (which
I strongly suspect it is), it would seem simpler to extend it than to
add 14000 lines of parallel subsystem.

-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-03-18 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-14 15:19 [PATCH 00/22 take 3] UBI: Unsorted Block Images Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 01/22 take 3] UBI: on-flash data structures header Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 02/22 take 3] UBI: user-space API header Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 03/22 take 3] UBI: kernel-space " Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 04/22 take 3] UBI: internal header Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 05/22 take 3] UBI: startup code Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 06/22 take 3] UBI: scanning unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 07/22 take 3] UBI: I/O unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 08/22 take 3] UBI: volume table unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 09/22 take 3] UBI: wear-leveling unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 10/22 take 3] UBI: EBA unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-15 19:07   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-15 21:24     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-15 23:29       ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-16  1:49         ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-16 10:23           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-16 10:21       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-16 14:55         ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-16 10:14     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 11/22 take 3] UBI: user-interfaces unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 12/22 take 3] UBI: update functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 13/22 take 3] UBI: accounting unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 14/22 take 3] UBI: volume management functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 15/22 take 3] UBI: sysfs functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 16/22 take 3] UBI: character devices functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 17/22 take 3] UBI: gluebi functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 18/22 take 3] UBI: misc stuff Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 19/22 take 3] UBI: debugging stuff Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 20/22 take 3] UBI: JFFS2 UBI support Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 21/22 take 3] UBI: update MAINTAINERS Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 22/22 take 3] UBI: Linux build integration Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-18 16:27 ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2007-03-18 16:49   ` [PATCH 00/22 take 3] UBI: Unsorted Block Images Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-18 19:18     ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-18 20:31       ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-19 17:08         ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-19 18:16           ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-19 19:54             ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-19 20:18               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-19 21:05               ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-19 22:32                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-20  0:42                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-20  1:05                     ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-20  6:28                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-21 11:05                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-21 11:25                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-21 11:35                         ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-21 11:57                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-21 12:31                             ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-21 12:39                               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-21 11:36                         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-25 20:08                         ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-25 21:49                           ` David Lang
2007-03-25 22:55                             ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-25 23:46                               ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-26  0:01                                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-26  0:21                                   ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-26  1:04                                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-26  9:45                                       ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-26  9:51                                         ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-26 10:07                                           ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-26 10:02                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-26 10:49                           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-26 11:30                             ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-19 21:06               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-19 21:36                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-20  0:43                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-20 12:25                   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-20 13:52                     ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-20 15:14                       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-20 15:59                       ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-20 18:58                         ` David Lang
2007-03-20 20:05                           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-20 21:36                             ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-21  8:54                               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-20 21:32                           ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-21 13:03                             ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-20 22:03                         ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-21  8:44                           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-21 13:50                             ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-21 13:59                               ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-21 14:02                               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-21 15:38                               ` Frank Haverkamp
2007-03-21 20:26                                 ` David Lang
2007-03-20 12:13               ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-19 19:03           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-19 20:12             ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-19 21:04               ` Thomas Gleixner

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