From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@lazybastard.org>
To: David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
Josh Boyer <jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind@infradead.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Frank Haverkamp <haver@vnet.ibm.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/22 take 3] UBI: Unsorted Block Images
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 00:55:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070325225528.GD19691@lazybastard.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703251338580.13765@qynat.qvtvafvgr.pbz>
On Sun, 25 March 2007 13:49:58 -0800, David Lang wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Jörn Engel wrote:
>
> >Logical volume management can just as easily move its management
> >information into a table, instead of having it spread across all blocks.
> >Blocks can keep their original size. Since you have to scan flash
> >anyway, you can also scan for a table, compare a magical number and do
> >some extra check to protect yourself against a UBI image inside some
> >logical volume. No big deal.
[ This was not a request for UBI to be changed. The only purpose was to
illustrate that LogFS is not broken. The previous thread suggested
otherwise and I just couldn't leave it at that. ]
> if you are being paranoid about write cycles putting the write count in the
> block you are writing avoids doing an erase/write elsewhere
>
> although, since you can flip bits to 1 without requireing an erase you
[ vice versa. you can flip bits to 0 without erasing. ]
> could sacrafice some space and say that your table has a normal counter for
> the number of times the block has been erased, but a 'tally counter' where
> you turn one bit on each time you erase the block, and when you fill up the
> tally block you re-write the entire table, clearing all the tallys. if you
> have relativly large eraseblocks it seems like you could afford to
> sacrafice the space in your master table to avoid erases of it
Or you could have a table and any number of updates to it. Erase one
block, append a small update marker to the table. There are plenty of
options. All have in common that code would be more complicated.
Another advantage is that erase counts don't get reset if the race
against a power failure during erase is lost.
Whether the advantaves of power-of-two blocksizes and safe erasecounts
are worth it, I leave for others to decide.
Jörn
--
Fools ignore complexity. Pragmatists suffer it.
Some can avoid it. Geniuses remove it.
-- Perlis's Programming Proverb #58, SIGPLAN Notices, Sept. 1982
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-03-25 23:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-03-14 15:19 [PATCH 00/22 take 3] UBI: Unsorted Block Images Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 01/22 take 3] UBI: on-flash data structures header Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 02/22 take 3] UBI: user-space API header Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 03/22 take 3] UBI: kernel-space " Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 04/22 take 3] UBI: internal header Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 05/22 take 3] UBI: startup code Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 06/22 take 3] UBI: scanning unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 07/22 take 3] UBI: I/O unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 08/22 take 3] UBI: volume table unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 09/22 take 3] UBI: wear-leveling unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 10/22 take 3] UBI: EBA unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-15 19:07 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-15 21:24 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-15 23:29 ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-16 1:49 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-16 10:23 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-16 10:21 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-16 14:55 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-16 10:14 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 11/22 take 3] UBI: user-interfaces unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 12/22 take 3] UBI: update functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 13/22 take 3] UBI: accounting unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 14/22 take 3] UBI: volume management functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 15/22 take 3] UBI: sysfs functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 16/22 take 3] UBI: character devices functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 17/22 take 3] UBI: gluebi functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 18/22 take 3] UBI: misc stuff Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 19/22 take 3] UBI: debugging stuff Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 20/22 take 3] UBI: JFFS2 UBI support Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 21/22 take 3] UBI: update MAINTAINERS Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 22/22 take 3] UBI: Linux build integration Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-18 16:27 ` [PATCH 00/22 take 3] UBI: Unsorted Block Images Matt Mackall
2007-03-18 16:49 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-18 19:18 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-18 20:31 ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-19 17:08 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-19 18:16 ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-19 19:54 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-19 20:18 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-19 21:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-19 22:32 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-20 0:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-20 1:05 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-20 6:28 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-21 11:05 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-21 11:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-21 11:35 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-21 11:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-21 12:31 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-21 12:39 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-21 11:36 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-25 20:08 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-25 21:49 ` David Lang
2007-03-25 22:55 ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2007-03-25 23:46 ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-26 0:01 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-26 0:21 ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-26 1:04 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-26 9:45 ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-26 9:51 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-26 10:07 ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-26 10:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-26 10:49 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-26 11:30 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-19 21:06 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-19 21:36 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-20 0:43 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-20 12:25 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-20 13:52 ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-20 15:14 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-20 15:59 ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-20 18:58 ` David Lang
2007-03-20 20:05 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-20 21:36 ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-21 8:54 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-20 21:32 ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-21 13:03 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-20 22:03 ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-21 8:44 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-21 13:50 ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-21 13:59 ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-21 14:02 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-21 15:38 ` Frank Haverkamp
2007-03-21 20:26 ` David Lang
2007-03-20 12:13 ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-19 19:03 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-19 20:12 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-19 21:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
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