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From: Brad Boyer <flar@allandria.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Stop pmac_zilog from abusing 8250's device numbers.
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:10:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070403221002.GA13210@cynthia.pants.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1175644642.10567.31.camel@shinybook.infradead.org>

On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 07:57:22PM -0400, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > The TTY_MAJOR should have never belonged to 8250.c in the first place.
> > I know it's just my opinion, but I think this major device should be
> > owned by the serial core, and it shouldn't matter what chip drives each
> > individual port. Each hardware driver should just register with the
> > core how many ports it has and should be allocated from the same range.
> 
> Yeah, because that works out really well for Ethernet devices and SCSI
> disks, with different numbers every day of the week according to what
> order we happen to load drivers in. :)

It just leads to the problem ethernet has on BSD/Solaris/etc. You have
to ask yourself "is the ethernet on this system le0 or hme0 or maybe
something else entirely?" in this case. I agree it does solve the issue
of detection order breaking the configuration, but it is less than ideal.
I think the issue of the devices shuffling around is less likely to be
a problem on serial, although we don't have the nice uniqueness of
hardware identifiers that was used to do device renaming in ethernet.

I suppose my opinion on this shows that I didn't come from the x86
side of Linux. The breakdown on this argument seems to have always
been that the x86 people wanted 8250 to own ttyS* and most others
wanted it shared. I know it was that way when m68k tried to merge
in their serial framework that did allow such sharing across any
number of hardware drivers.

	Brad Boyer
	flar@allandria.com


  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-04  0:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2007-04-03 23:14 ` [PATCH] Stop pmac_zilog from abusing 8250's device numbers Paul Mackerras
2007-04-03 23:28   ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-03 21:29     ` Brad Boyer
2007-04-03 23:57       ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]         ` <200704032210 02.GA13210@cynthia.pants.nu>
2007-04-03 22:10         ` Brad Boyer [this message]
2007-04-04  0:54           ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-03 23:09             ` Brad Boyer
2007-04-04  1:38               ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04  2:05               ` Chris Adams
2007-04-04  2:10               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-04  1:57                 ` David Lang
2007-04-04  8:51               ` Russell King
2007-04-04  9:48                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-04-04 16:09                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-04 16:22               ` Linas Vepstas
2007-04-04 16:34                 ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-04 17:38                   ` Linas Vepstas
2007-04-04  1:16             ` David Miller
2007-04-04  1:28               ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04  1:07                 ` David Lang
2007-04-04  1:44                   ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04  1:23                     ` David Lang
2007-04-04  1:32                       ` David Lang
2007-04-04 16:07                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-04 17:50                       ` Linas Vepstas
2007-04-04  1:50                     ` David Miller
2007-04-04 11:14                       ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04 12:20                         ` Olivier Galibert
2007-04-04  1:48                   ` David Miller
2007-04-04  3:07                 ` Gerhard Mack
2007-04-11 16:30                   ` Benny Amorsen
2007-04-12 15:34                     ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-13  2:45                       ` Gerhard Mack
2007-04-13  2:24                         ` David Lang
2007-04-13  8:09                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-04-04  0:02         ` David Miller
2007-04-04  0:12           ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-03 22:14             ` Brad Boyer
2007-04-04  1:13             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-04-04  1:17               ` David Miller
2007-04-04  1:32                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-04-04  0:01       ` [PATCH v2] " David Woodhouse
2007-04-04  1:25       ` [PATCH] " Alan Cox
2007-04-04  4:20         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-04  5:19           ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-04  5:50             ` David Miller
2007-04-04  7:04               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-04-04 13:43                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-04-04  7:52               ` Russell King
2007-04-04  8:41                 ` David Miller
2007-04-04  5:53             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-04  6:03               ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-04  6:31                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-04 14:19                   ` [PATCH v3] Stop pmac_zilog from abusing 8250's device numbers; optionally David Woodhouse
2007-04-04 23:48                     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-05 12:45                       ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-05 22:53                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-05 22:59                           ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-05 14:31                     ` Atsushi Nemoto
2007-04-05 14:47                       ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-05 15:09                         ` Atsushi Nemoto
2007-04-05 15:18                           ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-05 15:49                             ` Atsushi Nemoto
2007-04-05 15:56                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-04-04  8:12                 ` [PATCH] Stop pmac_zilog from abusing 8250's device numbers David Miller
2007-04-04  8:38                   ` Russell King
2007-04-04  8:43                     ` David Miller
2007-04-04  9:00                       ` Russell King
2007-04-04 19:58                         ` David Miller
2007-04-04 12:21                     ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-04 16:10                       ` Russell King
2007-04-04 16:16                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-04 16:25                         ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04 17:41                         ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-04 18:15                           ` Russell King
2007-04-04 19:50                             ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-05  6:05                               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-05  8:50                                 ` Russell King
2007-04-05 16:15                             ` Olivier Galibert
2007-04-05 21:41                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-03 23:56     ` David Miller
2007-04-04  1:13       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-04-04  6:58     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-04 14:16       ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-03 23:55   ` David Miller
2007-04-04  1:19     ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04  1:21       ` David Miller
2007-04-04  1:36         ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04  1:47           ` David Miller
2007-04-04  7:47         ` Russell King
2007-04-04  9:55           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-04 16:06             ` Russell King
2007-04-04  6:58     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-08-14 11:49   ` Olaf Hering
2007-08-14 11:53     ` David Woodhouse
2007-08-14 16:24       ` Olaf Hering
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