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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/13] maps: pagemap, kpagemap, and related cleanups
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:13:08 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070413171308.GP11115@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <461EE890.2040601@yahoo.com.au>

On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 12:18:56PM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Can't you just traverse arbitrary kernel data structures at a given point
> in time, exactly like the /proc/ call is doing?

Perhaps.

My understanding is that you hook a kprobe to an event. An event is a
particular instruction getting executed. Indeed, you can do whatever
poking around in the kernel you want at that point. And then you can
stuff that data in a buffer that eventually gets to userspace.

This is very different from a read/seek/syscall. Rather than just
asking the kernel for some data, we have to wait for the relevent
events. Now, of course, you can make an ugly hack like hooking
sys_getpid() and basically make your own system call. Hopefully no one
else will call getpid() while you're doing this, etc. Not really how
it's intended to work at all, and probably a bitch to use, but
possible. Then the question becomes: why don't we do this for
everything else in /proc?

And the answer of course is: we put stuff in /proc because it's
generally useful. Extra points if it's actually related to
'proc'esses. Being able to tell what's paged in in a given mapping is
useful. Being able to tell what's shared between two mappings is
useful. Being able to get an accurate, meaningful picture of how your
memory is being used is useful. Heck, I bet some people might find it
useful to be able to see what nodes the pages in their process are on.
All stuff you shouldn't need to be a kernel hacker to answer.

The flags part of /proc/kpagemap exposes some (very interesting!)
implementation details. The rest of it is completely generic to any
system with a VM. It's only deep kernel magic in the sense that it's
not yet exposed.

-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-13 17:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-04  2:43 [PATCH 0/13] maps: pagemap, kpagemap, and related cleanups Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 1/13] maps: Uninline some functions in the page walker Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 2/13] maps: Eliminate the pmd_walker struct " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 3/13] maps: Remove vma from args " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 4/13] maps: Propagate errors from callback in " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 5/13] maps: Add callbacks for each level to " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 6/13] maps: Move the page walker code to lib/ Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  3:51   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  5:08     ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  5:50       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 21:48         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-05  1:32           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  1:50             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 7/13] maps: Simplify interdependence of /proc/pid/maps and smaps Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 8/13] maps: Move clear_refs code to task_mmu.c Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 9/13] maps: Regroup task_mmu by interface Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 10/13] maps: Make /proc/pid/smaps optional under CONFIG_EMBEDDED Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 11/13] maps: Make /proc/pid/clear_refs option " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  6:22   ` David Rientjes
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 12/13] maps: Add /proc/pid/pagemap interface Matt Mackall
2007-04-04 11:18   ` Nikita Danilov
2007-04-04 16:32     ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-04 18:03       ` Nikita Danilov
2007-04-04 21:59         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 13/13] maps: Add /proc/kpagemap interface Matt Mackall
2007-04-12 23:10 ` [PATCH 0/13] maps: pagemap, kpagemap, and related cleanups William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-12 23:32   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-12 23:42     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13  0:25       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  0:15     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  0:25       ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  1:01         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  1:38           ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  2:11             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  0:42       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  1:14         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  1:22           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  1:42             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  1:57               ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  2:21                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  2:23                   ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  2:54                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13 12:24                       ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2007-04-14  8:13                     ` Maneesh Soni
2007-04-13  1:57               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  2:05                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  2:29                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  2:18                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  2:32                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  2:50                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  3:10                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  6:53                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13  7:05                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  7:51                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-13  8:03                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  8:13                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-13  8:25                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  9:46                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-13 21:17                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-04-16 10:59                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 21:36                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-16 21:01                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-04-13  8:15                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13 12:13                       ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2007-04-13 12:46                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  3:40                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  6:55                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13  7:03                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  7:08                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13 14:08                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-16 11:00                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-13 17:13                   ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2007-04-13 16:24         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13 17:03           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13 17:24             ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13 17:58               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  0:15     ` Matt Mackall

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