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From: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: "David R. Litwin" <presently42@gmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ZFS with Linux: An Open Plea
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:07:05 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070416030705.GY32602149@melbourne.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4622C851.2030509@redhat.com>

On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 08:50:25PM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> David R. Litwin wrote:
> 
> >>4: ZFS has a HUGE capacity. I don't have 30 exobytes, but I might some
> >>day....
> >
> >ext4 will probably cope with that.  XFS definitely has very high
> >limits though I admit I don't know what they are.
> >
> >XFS is also a few exobytes.
> 
> The fsck for none of these filesystems will be able to deal with
> a filesystem that big.  Unless, of course, you have a few weeks
> to wait for fsck to complete.

Which is why I want to be able to partially offline a chunk of
a filesystem and repair it while the rest is still online.....

> Backup and restore are similar problems.  When part of the filesystem
> is lost, you don't want to have to wait for a full restore.
> 
> Sounds simple?  Well, the hard part is figuring out exactly which
> part of the filesystem you need to restore...
> 
> I don't see ZFS, ext4 or XFS addressing these issues.

XFS has these sorts of issues directly in our cross-hairs.

The major scaling problem XFS has right now is to do with
how long repair/backup/restore take when you have hundreds
of terabytes of storage.

> IMHO chunkfs could provide a much more promising approach.

Agreed, that's one method of compartmentalising the problem.....

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
Principal Engineer
SGI Australian Software Group

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-16  3:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-15  8:54 ZFS with Linux: An Open Plea David R. Litwin
2007-04-16  0:50 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-16  3:07   ` David Chinner [this message]
2007-04-16 22:34     ` Repair-driven file system design (was Re: ZFS with Linux: An Open Plea) Valerie Henson
2007-04-17  1:09       ` David Chinner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-04-17  8:42 ZFS with Linux: An Open Plea David R. Litwin
2007-04-17  6:54 David R. Litwin
2007-04-17  8:18 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-17 13:10 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-17 13:47   ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-17 13:59     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-04-17 15:46       ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-17 15:59         ` Alan Cox
2007-04-17 16:29         ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-04-17 19:58           ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-17 22:19             ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-04-17 22:12               ` David Lang
2007-04-17 22:52                 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-04-17 22:38               ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-17 14:06     ` Erik Mouw
2007-04-17 14:32     ` John Anthony Kazos Jr.
2007-04-17 15:41       ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-17 16:02         ` John Anthony Kazos Jr.
2007-04-17 14:37     ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-17 14:48     ` Alan Cox
2007-04-17 15:06       ` Ricardo Correia
2007-04-17 15:23         ` Xavier Bestel
2007-04-17 15:30           ` Ricardo Correia
2007-04-17 15:36             ` Alan Cox
2007-04-17 16:02       ` Mike Snitzer
2007-04-17 16:57       ` Alistair John Strachan
2007-04-18 11:10       ` Manoj Joseph
2007-04-18 11:23         ` Alan Cox
2007-04-18 11:32           ` Manoj Joseph
2007-04-17 16:22     ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-04-17 17:50       ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-17 19:24         ` Florian Weimer
2007-04-17 19:56           ` Ricardo Correia
2007-04-17 20:05             ` Ricardo Correia
2007-04-17 14:59   ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-04-17 15:08     ` Xavier Bestel
2007-04-17 15:12       ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-04-17 15:29     ` Michal Schmidt
2007-04-15  8:57 David R. Litwin
2007-04-15 17:34 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-04-14 17:40 Ignatich
2007-04-15 12:44 ` Nikita Danilov
2007-04-17 14:14   ` Alan Cox
2007-04-13 23:18 David R. Litwin
2007-04-13 23:43 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-14 12:16   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-14 14:04   ` Mike Snitzer
2007-04-14 20:53     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-16  9:40       ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-16 11:19         ` John Anthony Kazos Jr.
2007-04-16 14:02         ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-16 14:20           ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-16 14:55             ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 15:46               ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-16 15:59                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 19:02                 ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-16 20:18                   ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-18 17:25                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-04-18 17:39                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-27  5:21                       ` Valerie Henson
2007-04-27 21:57                         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-16 19:46                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-16 18:19             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-16 19:21               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-16 19:26                 ` Lee Revell
2007-04-16 20:20                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-16 20:15                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-14 21:13     ` Bill Huey
2007-04-16  9:58     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
     [not found]       ` <170fa0d20704160507w4af4cb92ua259a55789f95c3e@mail.gmail.com>
2007-04-16 14:01         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-16 14:30           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-16 15:27             ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-16 17:21               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-14 18:56   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-16  3:00     ` David Chinner
2007-04-15  4:16 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-04-15 21:58 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-05-02 15:03 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-05-02 15:42   ` Alan Cox
2007-05-02 20:53     ` Theodore Tso

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