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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: ego@in.ibm.com
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, vatsa@in.ibm.com,
	paulmck@us.ibm.com, pavel@ucw.cz
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH(experimental) 2/2] Fix freezer-kthread_stop race
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:50:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200704201450.06487.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070420122609.GA22325@in.ibm.com>

On Friday, 20 April 2007 14:26, Gautham R Shenoy wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 01:59:29PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > 
> > Actually, I thought about it for a while.  The thread that is going to stop
> > another one may temporarily mark itself as freezable in all cases, which
> > will have no effect on it, since it's not going to cally try_to_freeze(), but
> > will make the freezer wait for it.  Next, after returning from
> > wait_for_completion(), it should restore its old freezability status and that
> > should make the freezer finish.
> 
> But that will have no affect if the thread to be stopped is already
> frozen. The only affect might be that now, freezer will fail whether
> the thread that is going to stop another one was freezeable or not.
> 
> Concern is whether we can somehow complete these wait_for_completion()'s in 
> the freezing context and reduce the probabilty of freezer failing.

To be precise, I was thinking about something like this (in pseudo-code):

	kthread_stop_info.k = k;
	save_freezable_status(current);
	set_always_freezable(current);
	/* Now, we know that the freezer will wait for us, although we're not
	 * really going to freeze
	 */
	task_lock(k);
	k->flags |= PF_NOFREEZE;
	if (frozen(k))
		k->flags &= ~PF_FROZEN;

	task_unlock(k);
	wake_up_process(k);
	put_task_struct(k);

	/* Once it dies, reset stop ptr, gather result and we're done. */
	wait_for_completion(&kthread_stop_info.done);
	restore_freezable_status(current);

> > > However, I was attempting to solve the generic problem where
> > > A waits on B and B is frozen. If A is freezeable (under one of the
> > > events) then the freezer will fail. So a solution would be for A to
> > > somehow inform B of the dependency and postpone it's freezing.
> > 
> > Well, I think it might be simpler to consider each case separately.  This way
> > we may be able to avoid introducing the additional TIF_ flag.
> > 
> 
> Makes sense.
> 
> > > Since akpm mentioned that flush_workqueue() needs to go, I guess, I am
> > > ok with fixing only kthread_stop/kthread_should_stop for the moment.
> > > Unless I can spot any other valid case :)
> > 
> > Sure. :-)
> > 
> > BTW, if it turns out that we need to introduce yet another freezer-related
> > TIF_ flag, it may be acceptable (?) to move all of the freezer-related flags
> > into a separate member of task_struct (eg. freezer_flags) that can only be
> > manipulated under task_lock().
> > 
> > I mean, we already have four of them (PF_NOFREEZE, PF_FROZEN,
> > PF_FREEZER_SKIP, TIF_FREEZE), and you will need to introduce two more for
> > the freezer-based CPU hotplug, so if yet another one is needed, that will make
> > up almost a separate u8 field ...
> 
> I am perfectly ok with it. But I am not sure if everybody would agree to have
> another field in the task struct, though in this case it does make sense :-)

Well, I'm not sure either, but I guess the most practical way to learn it is to
send a patch. ;-)

Greetings,
Rafael


-- 
If you don't have the time to read,
you don't have the time or the tools to write.
		- Stephen King

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-20 12:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-19 12:01 [RFC 0/2] Fix Freezer related races Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-19 12:02 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] Fix PF_NOFREEZE and freezeable race Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-19 21:39   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-20 18:02     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-23 10:26       ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-23 17:49         ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <200704260044.03975.rjw@sisk.pl>
     [not found]           ` <20070425231638.GH15134@in.ibm.com>
     [not found]             ` <20070425163409.4f8476c4.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
     [not found]               ` <20070426060608.GA12892@in.ibm.com>
     [not found]                 ` <20070425231232.302a83f0.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
2007-04-26 13:11                   ` [PATCH -mm] Move frozen_process() to kernel/power/process.c Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-26 12:36                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-26 13:40                       ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-19 12:04 ` [RFC PATCH(experimental) 2/2] Fix freezer-kthread_stop race Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-19 21:31   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-20  8:54     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-20 11:05       ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-20 11:59         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-20 12:26           ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-20 12:50             ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2007-04-20 17:30             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-20 18:31               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-20 21:13                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-22 19:28                 ` [RFC][PATCH -mm 0/3] Separate freezer flags Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-22 19:33                   ` [RFC][PATCH -mm 1/3] Separate freezer from PM code Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-23 10:41                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-22 19:39                   ` [RFC][PATCH -mm 2/3] freezer: Introduce freezer_flags Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-22 21:14                     ` Paul Jackson
2007-04-22 22:14                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-22 22:31                         ` Paul Jackson
2007-04-23  3:18                           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-04-23  4:09                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-04-23 14:19                       ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-23 18:49                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-23 19:06                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-23 10:50                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-23 13:17                     ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-23 19:57                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-23 22:23                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-23 22:40                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-23 22:41                         ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-23 22:55                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-23 22:55                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-23 23:10                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-23 23:19                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-24 11:32                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-22 19:40                   ` [RFC][PATCH -mm 3/3] freezer: Fix problem with kthread_stop Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-23 10:40                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-23 19:50                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-23 12:35                     ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-23 19:03                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-23 20:05                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-23 19:55                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-23 20:46                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-23 21:16                           ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-23 21:30                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-20 21:20         ` [RFC PATCH(experimental) 2/2] Fix freezer-kthread_stop race Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-20 21:45           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-20 10:46     ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-21  9:37       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-20 21:12   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-23 10:38     ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-23 18:39       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-23 20:34         ` Gautham R Shenoy

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