From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>, Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
Badari Pulavarty <pbadari@gmail.com>,
Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:02:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070426180212.GF2017@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0704261058050.3263@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>
On Thu, Apr 26 2007, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
> > I can't possibly believe any of this is about the cost of processing
> > a request, but rather the problem that some devices don't have a large
> > enough pool of requests to keep them busy if you submit the requests
> > in a 4K page sizes.
> >
> > This all sounds like a device design issue rather than anything more
> > significant, and it doesn't sound like a long term trend. Market
> > pressure should fix the hardware.
>
> Sounds like we are dictating device manufacturers how to
> design their devices instead of leaving them choice.
Well... First of all (to Eric), the 4kb pages isn't the issue. Only if
you have limited sg capabilities in your hardware AND need larger
segment sizes to get up in the range of request sizes that makes that
hardware go fast would you benefit from always using bigger pages. And
market pressure should indeed make you lose, if you design crappy
hardware like that.
Secondly, choice isn't always good. Linux should cater to the hardware
only to the extent that it makes sense. We don't make design decisions
that are unmaintainable or cripple us in some way because of bad
hardware. That would be stupid.
If we need and want larger IO sizes, then we can do that without big
compound pages. I'm merely interested in the bigger page cache pages
because it'll solve several issues at once.
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-04-26 18:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 235+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-24 22:21 [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [01/17] Remove open coded implementation of memclear_highpage flush clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [02/17] Fix page allocation flags in grow_dev_page() clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [03/17] Fix: find_or_create_page does not spread memory clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [04/17] Free up page->private for compound pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [05/17] More compound page features clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [06/17] Fix up handling of Compound head pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [07/17] vmstat.c: Support accounting for compound pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [08/17] Define functions for page cache handling clameter
2007-04-24 23:00 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-25 6:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [09/17] Convert PAGE_CACHE_xxx -> page_cache_xxx function calls clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [10/17] Variable Order Page Cache: Add clearing and flushing function clameter
2007-04-26 7:02 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 8:14 ` David Chinner
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [11/17] Readahead support for the variable order page cache clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [12/17] Variable Page Cache Size: Fix up reclaim counters clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [13/17] set_blocksize: Allow to set a larger block size than PAGE_SIZE clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [14/17] Add VM_BUG_ONs to check for correct page order clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [15/17] ramfs: Variable order page cache support clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [16/17] ext2: " clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [17/17] xfs: " clameter
2007-04-25 0:46 ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 Jörn Engel
2007-04-25 0:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-25 3:11 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-25 11:35 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 15:36 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 17:53 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 18:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 18:05 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 18:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 18:16 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 13:28 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-25 15:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 22:46 ` Badari Pulavarty
2007-04-26 1:14 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 1:17 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 4:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 5:05 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 5:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 6:37 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 9:16 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 6:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 6:46 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 6:57 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 7:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 7:48 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 9:20 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 13:53 ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-26 14:33 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:56 ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-26 15:20 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 17:42 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 16:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 10:05 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:06 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 13:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 23:34 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 7:48 ` Questions on printk and console_drivers gshan
2007-04-26 10:06 ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 14:47 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 16:05 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 16:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 13:28 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-26 13:30 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-29 14:12 ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-28 10:55 ` Pierre Ossman
2007-04-28 15:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 5:37 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 6:38 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 6:50 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 8:40 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 8:55 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:30 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 10:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 12:23 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 17:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:02 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2007-04-26 16:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 17:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 18:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:03 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 18:12 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 18:24 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:29 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:39 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 19:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 19:42 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-27 4:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-27 10:26 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 20:22 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-27 0:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 5:16 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-27 10:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 13:50 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:40 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 15:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:58 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 9:46 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 0:19 ` Jeremy Higdon
2007-04-26 18:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 18:59 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 19:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 6:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 6:53 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:04 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 7:07 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 7:17 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 7:45 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 18:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 10:08 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 7:15 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 7:42 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:48 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 12:37 ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-04-26 14:18 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 15:08 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 15:28 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:53 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-27 0:32 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 10:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 12:58 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 13:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 14:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 10:15 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 14:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:50 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-04-27 2:04 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 2:27 ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 2:53 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 3:47 ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 (mmap conceptual discussion) Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 4:20 ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 David Chinner
2007-04-27 5:15 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 5:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 6:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 7:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 7:26 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 8:37 ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 12:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 16:36 ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 17:34 ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 19:11 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 1:43 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28 8:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28 8:22 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 8:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28 8:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 9:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28 14:09 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 18:26 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 19:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 21:28 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 3:17 ` David Chinner
2007-04-28 3:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28 4:56 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 5:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28 5:36 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 6:24 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28 6:52 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30 5:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28 9:43 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28 9:58 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 10:21 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28 10:25 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 11:29 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28 14:37 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 7:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 7:29 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 7:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 7:43 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 11:05 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-27 11:41 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 12:12 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 12:25 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-28 2:27 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28 2:39 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 2:50 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28 3:16 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 8:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 16:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 13:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 12:14 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-27 12:36 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 11:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 13:44 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 19:15 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 2:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 6:09 ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 7:04 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 8:03 ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 8:48 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 16:45 ` Theodore Tso
2007-05-04 13:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07 4:29 ` David Chinner
2007-05-07 4:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07 5:27 ` David Chinner
2007-05-07 6:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07 6:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07 7:06 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-08 8:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07 16:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-07 17:29 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-04 12:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-04 13:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-04 16:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-07 4:58 ` David Chinner
2007-05-07 6:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07 15:17 ` Weigert, Daniel
2007-04-27 16:55 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-27 17:32 ` Nicholas Miell
2007-04-27 18:12 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 16:39 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-04-30 5:23 ` Christoph Lameter
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