From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
Badari Pulavarty <pbadari@gmail.com>,
Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:12:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070426181249.GH2017@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070426180932.GA10642@infradead.org>
On Thu, Apr 26 2007, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 08:03:58PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 26 2007, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > > > Iff we really the larger physical page size to support the hardware
> > > > then it makes sense to go down a path of larger pages. But it doesn't.
> > >
> > > You are redefining the problem. We need larger physical sizes to support
> > > the hardware. Yes. We can dodge the issue with shim layers and hacks. It
> > > is obvious from the kernel sources that this is needed.
> >
> > We definitely don't. Larger sizes are ONE way to solve the problem, they
> > are definitely not the only one. If the larger pages become unfeasible
> > for some reason (be it fragmentation, or just because the design isn't
> > good), then we can solve it differently.
>
> Exactly. But the only counter-proposal we have so far seems far worse :)
Lets look at some numbers. I'll just concentrate on the scatterlist,
since the bio_vec is smaller. On x86 32-bit, the scatterlist is 20 bytes
long. If we accept that 2^1 allocations are ok (they should be), then we
can support ~1.6mb ios just like that.
My approach would be to support scatterlist chaining. Essentially you'd
have the last element of the sglist pointing to the next array of
entries. We can then stick to 128 entry arrays which fit nicely in a
single page allocation and easily support >> 2mb ios. The only caveat is
that you'd need to update the drivers to get there, since a regular
iteration over the array isn't enough. My plan was to add an sglist
iterator helper that hides this from the drivers, if they need to loop
over the scatterlist. Things like {dma/pci}_map_sg() would of course be
updated.
The above can be implemented fairly cleanly, and on a need-to-have
basis. It's not something that'll break drivers.
What do you think?
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-04-26 18:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 235+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-24 22:21 [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [01/17] Remove open coded implementation of memclear_highpage flush clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [02/17] Fix page allocation flags in grow_dev_page() clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [03/17] Fix: find_or_create_page does not spread memory clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [04/17] Free up page->private for compound pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [05/17] More compound page features clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [06/17] Fix up handling of Compound head pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [07/17] vmstat.c: Support accounting for compound pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [08/17] Define functions for page cache handling clameter
2007-04-24 23:00 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-25 6:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [09/17] Convert PAGE_CACHE_xxx -> page_cache_xxx function calls clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [10/17] Variable Order Page Cache: Add clearing and flushing function clameter
2007-04-26 7:02 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 8:14 ` David Chinner
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [11/17] Readahead support for the variable order page cache clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [12/17] Variable Page Cache Size: Fix up reclaim counters clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [13/17] set_blocksize: Allow to set a larger block size than PAGE_SIZE clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [14/17] Add VM_BUG_ONs to check for correct page order clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [15/17] ramfs: Variable order page cache support clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [16/17] ext2: " clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [17/17] xfs: " clameter
2007-04-25 0:46 ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 Jörn Engel
2007-04-25 0:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-25 3:11 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-25 11:35 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 15:36 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 17:53 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 18:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 18:05 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 18:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 18:16 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 13:28 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-25 15:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 22:46 ` Badari Pulavarty
2007-04-26 1:14 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 1:17 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 4:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 5:05 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 5:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 6:37 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 9:16 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 6:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 6:46 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 6:57 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 7:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 7:48 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 9:20 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 13:53 ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-26 14:33 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:56 ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-26 15:20 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 17:42 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 16:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 10:05 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:06 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 13:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 23:34 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 7:48 ` Questions on printk and console_drivers gshan
2007-04-26 10:06 ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 14:47 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 16:05 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 16:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 13:28 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-26 13:30 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-29 14:12 ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-28 10:55 ` Pierre Ossman
2007-04-28 15:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 5:37 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 6:38 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 6:50 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 8:40 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 8:55 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:30 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 10:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 12:23 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 17:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:02 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 16:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 17:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 18:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:03 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 18:12 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2007-04-26 18:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 18:24 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:29 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:39 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 19:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 19:42 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-27 4:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-27 10:26 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 20:22 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-27 0:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 5:16 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-27 10:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 13:50 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:40 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 15:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:58 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 9:46 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 0:19 ` Jeremy Higdon
2007-04-26 18:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 18:59 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 19:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 6:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 6:53 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:04 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 7:07 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 7:17 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 7:45 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 18:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 10:08 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 7:15 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 7:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 7:42 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:48 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 12:37 ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-04-26 14:18 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 15:08 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 15:28 ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:53 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-27 0:32 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 10:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 12:58 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 13:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 14:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 10:15 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 14:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:50 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-04-27 2:04 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 2:27 ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 2:53 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 3:47 ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 (mmap conceptual discussion) Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 4:20 ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 David Chinner
2007-04-27 5:15 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 5:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 6:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 7:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 7:26 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 8:37 ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 12:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 16:36 ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 17:34 ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 19:11 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 1:43 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28 8:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28 8:22 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 8:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28 8:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 9:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28 14:09 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 18:26 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 19:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 21:28 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 3:17 ` David Chinner
2007-04-28 3:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28 4:56 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 5:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28 5:36 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 6:24 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28 6:52 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30 5:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28 9:43 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28 9:58 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 10:21 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28 10:25 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 11:29 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28 14:37 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 7:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 7:29 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 7:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 7:43 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 11:05 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-27 11:41 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 12:12 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 12:25 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-28 2:27 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28 2:39 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 2:50 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28 3:16 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 8:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 16:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 13:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 12:14 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-27 12:36 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 11:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 13:44 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 19:15 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 2:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 6:09 ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 7:04 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 8:03 ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 8:48 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 16:45 ` Theodore Tso
2007-05-04 13:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07 4:29 ` David Chinner
2007-05-07 4:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07 5:27 ` David Chinner
2007-05-07 6:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07 6:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07 7:06 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-08 8:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07 16:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-07 17:29 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-04 12:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-04 13:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-04 16:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-07 4:58 ` David Chinner
2007-05-07 6:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07 15:17 ` Weigert, Daniel
2007-04-27 16:55 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-27 17:32 ` Nicholas Miell
2007-04-27 18:12 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 16:39 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-04-30 5:23 ` Christoph Lameter
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