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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comatose when FS is under heavy write load (massive starvation)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:31:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070427113117.98c4f88b.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704270806230.9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> 	echo 5 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_background_ratio
> 	echo 10 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio

That'll help a lot.

ext3's problem here is that a single fsync() requires that ext3 sync the
whole filesystem.  Because

- a journal commit can contain metadata from multiple files, and if we
  want to journal one file's metadata via fsync(), we unavoidably journal
  all the other file's metadata at the same time.

- ordered mode requires that we write a file's data blocks prior to
  journalling the metadata which refers to those blocks.

net result: syncing anything syncs the whole world.

There are a few areas in which this could conceivably be tuned up: if a
particular file doesn't currently have any metadata in the commit, we don't
actually need to sync its data blocks: we could just transfer them into
next commit.  Hard, unlikely to be of benefit.

Arguably, we could get away without syncing overwritten data blocks.  Users
would occasionally see older data than they otherwise would have after a
crash.  Could help a bit in some circumstances.

But none of this explains a 20-minute hang, unless a *lot* of fsyncs are
being performed, perhaps.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-27 18:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-27  7:59 [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comatose when FS is under heavy write load (massive starvation) Mike Galbraith
2007-04-27  8:33 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  9:23   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-27 10:17   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-27 11:59   ` Marat Buharov
2007-04-27 12:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-27 13:50       ` Mark Lord
2007-04-27 12:39     ` Manoj Joseph
2007-04-27 15:30     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 19:31       ` Andreas Dilger
2007-04-27 19:44         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-27 19:50         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 20:05           ` Hua Zhong
2007-04-27 20:12           ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2007-04-27 20:12           ` Bill Huey
2007-04-28  5:37             ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-28  5:45               ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-28 21:57               ` Bill Huey
2007-04-28 22:38                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-27 20:29           ` Gabriel C
2007-04-27 20:45           ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 20:54           ` Manoj Joseph
2007-04-28  8:45           ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-27 22:18         ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-03 17:38           ` Alex Tomas
2007-05-03 23:54             ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-04  6:18               ` Alex Tomas
2007-05-04  6:38                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-04  6:57                   ` Alex Tomas
2007-05-04  7:18                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-04  7:39                       ` Alex Tomas
2007-05-04  8:02                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  8:44       ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-28 20:46   ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-28 21:12     ` Lee Revell
2007-04-29 20:49       ` Mark Lord
2007-04-29 21:17       ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-27 15:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 15:41   ` John Anthony Kazos Jr.
2007-04-27 15:54     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 16:24       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-04-27 19:43       ` Marko Macek
2007-04-27 18:31   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-04-27 19:09     ` Zan Lynx
2007-04-27 22:07       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 19:27     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-28  8:51     ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-28  8:59       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 16:30       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28 16:56         ` Paolo Ornati
2007-04-27 19:28   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-27 20:06   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-27 21:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28  4:25   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-28  6:32     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-28  7:01       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  7:12         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-28  6:32   ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-28 16:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28 16:37       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-28 17:11         ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-30  6:57           ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-28 17:55       ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-30  6:56       ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-02  6:53   ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-02  7:36     ` Mike Galbraith

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