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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Valerie Henson <val_henson@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>,
	Tomasz K?oczko <kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>,
	Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@gmail.com>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	"David R. Litwin" <presently42@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ZFS with Linux: An Open Plea
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:57:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070427215753.GK11166@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070427052102.GD20286@nifty>

On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 10:21:02PM -0700, Valerie Henson wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 01:25:19PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> > 
> > Does it matter that google's recent report on disk failures indicated
> > that SMART never predicted anything useful as far as they could tell?
> > Certainly none of my drive failures ever had SMART make any kind of
> > indication that anything was wrong.
> 
> I saw that talk, and that's not what I got out of it.  They found that
> SMART error reports _did_ correlate with drive failure.

In fact, a certain small set of SMART indicators were a very good sign
that a drive would fail.

> However, they found that the correlation was not strong enough to make
> it economically feasible to replace disks reporting SMART failures,
> since something like 70% of disks were still working a year after the
> first failure report.  Also, they found that some disks failed without
> any SMART error reports.

Indeed, SMART registered no counts at all for most failures, so on the
whole, it can't be said that SMART can predict failures.

So: not a good idea to base your backup scheme on SMART warnings, but
not entirely useless.

-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-27 22:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-13 23:18 ZFS with Linux: An Open Plea David R. Litwin
2007-04-13 23:43 ` Neil Brown
2007-04-14 12:16   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-14 14:04   ` Mike Snitzer
2007-04-14 20:53     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-16  9:40       ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-16 11:19         ` John Anthony Kazos Jr.
2007-04-16 14:02         ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-16 14:20           ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-16 14:55             ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 15:46               ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-16 15:59                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 19:02                 ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-16 20:18                   ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-18 17:25                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-04-18 17:39                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-27  5:21                       ` Valerie Henson
2007-04-27 21:57                         ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2007-04-16 19:46                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-16 18:19             ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-16 19:21               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-16 19:26                 ` Lee Revell
2007-04-16 20:20                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-16 20:15                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-04-14 21:13     ` Bill Huey
2007-04-16  9:58     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
     [not found]       ` <170fa0d20704160507w4af4cb92ua259a55789f95c3e@mail.gmail.com>
2007-04-16 14:01         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-16 14:30           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-16 15:27             ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-16 17:21               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-14 18:56   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-04-16  3:00     ` David Chinner
2007-04-15  4:16 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-04-15 21:58 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-05-02 15:03 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-05-02 15:42   ` Alan Cox
2007-05-02 20:53     ` Theodore Tso
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-04-14 17:40 Ignatich
2007-04-15 12:44 ` Nikita Danilov
2007-04-17 14:14   ` Alan Cox
2007-04-15  8:54 David R. Litwin
2007-04-16  0:50 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-16  3:07   ` David Chinner
2007-04-15  8:57 David R. Litwin
2007-04-15 17:34 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-04-17  6:54 David R. Litwin
2007-04-17  8:18 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-17 13:10 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-17 13:47   ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-17 13:59     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-04-17 15:46       ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-17 15:59         ` Alan Cox
2007-04-17 16:29         ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-04-17 19:58           ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-17 22:19             ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-04-17 22:12               ` David Lang
2007-04-17 22:52                 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-04-17 22:38               ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-17 14:06     ` Erik Mouw
2007-04-17 14:32     ` John Anthony Kazos Jr.
2007-04-17 15:41       ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-04-17 16:02         ` John Anthony Kazos Jr.
2007-04-17 14:37     ` Diego Calleja
2007-04-17 14:48     ` Alan Cox
2007-04-17 15:06       ` Ricardo Correia
2007-04-17 15:23         ` Xavier Bestel
2007-04-17 15:30           ` Ricardo Correia
2007-04-17 15:36             ` Alan Cox
2007-04-17 16:02       ` Mike Snitzer
2007-04-17 16:57       ` Alistair John Strachan
2007-04-18 11:10       ` Manoj Joseph
2007-04-18 11:23         ` Alan Cox
2007-04-18 11:32           ` Manoj Joseph
2007-04-17 16:22     ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-04-17 17:50       ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-17 19:24         ` Florian Weimer
2007-04-17 19:56           ` Ricardo Correia
2007-04-17 20:05             ` Ricardo Correia
2007-04-17 14:59   ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-04-17 15:08     ` Xavier Bestel
2007-04-17 15:12       ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-04-17 15:29     ` Michal Schmidt
2007-04-17  8:42 David R. Litwin

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